Indeed, and as there is a notice on the Wikilegal article stating that it is not legal
advice, it can and will be ignored by those who think they know better.
Cheers,
Peter
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[mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Jeevan Jose
Sent: 27 June 2014 10:46 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] The tragedy of Commons
Well, just yesterday I saw a (good but slightly
amateurish-looking)
image that is to be deleted because the metadata embedded in the
/other/ images of the uploader indicates multiple cameras were used.
Clearly, no one has more than one camera, so it must be a copyright
violation. (would post the URL but forgot which image)
Childish fears indeed.
Magnus
Indeed. The old days had gone. Now people have so many gadgets. Further, forensic research
is not our business. Another grey area is the handling of selfies. People need evidence
that the photo is taken by themselves. They even do dummy tests to verify if it is
possible from such an angle. Tired by the arguments, Legal released [1].
Links:
1.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikilegal/Authorship_and_Copyright_Ownership
Jee
Regards,
Jeevan Jose
On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Pipo Le Clown <pleclown(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Aren't you mixing things a little bit ?
Nobody denies that there are problems with video support, Search
engine and image display. But this is not (completely) the
responsability of the Commons community. The software is provided by
the foundation, and we deal with what they give us. If you want to
point fingers, point them in the right direction.
Regarding the URAA shitstorm in a teacup, I will stand on my position:
Saying "It's not our problem, and we won't provide legal advice or
help if there is any problem" (ie: "I wash my hands of it") is not very
helpfull.
The position of the BoT and the statement from the legal team are at
least confusing and a open door to problems.
The current situation at hand is messy, and not very well handled by
the community, I will admit that. Quoting from a famous movie: "it's a
huge shit sandwich, and we're all gonna have to take a bite", but
adding manure to shit will not help to sweeten the taste.
Pleclown.
Le 27 juin 2014 09:22, "MZMcBride" <z(a)mzmcbride.com> a écrit :
Pete Forsyth wrote:
On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 11:07 PM, Erik Moeller
<erik(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
>>than aggressively purging content in the fear that a single byte
>>of potentially non-free content may infect the repository.
>
>You're attacking a straw man. I hope you do not sincerely believe
anybody
>acts out of such a childish fear. Rather, we
have committed
>volunteers
at
>Commons who take seriously our commitment to
the world, to provide
>a repository of files that can be (pretty) reliably reused under a
>free license, or as public domain materials. Maintaining the
>integrity of the collection, in the face of literally hundreds of
>problematic uploads
every
>single day, is a big job, and certainly some
less-than-ideal
>decisions will be made along the way.
>
>Apart from the moaning I see on this email list, I generally hear
>good things from those who visit Wikimedia Commons. "Tragedy?"
>Citation
needed,
for real.
Uploading media to Commons isn't as awful today as it once was.
That's nice. But video support is pretty awful. Search support is pretty awful.
Even browsing images is pretty bad. Support for moving (renaming)
files
is
rudimentary and restricted. And there are many
other flaws... but
you're right that it probably doesn't amount to a tragedy quite yet.
There's plenty of moaning on this e-mail list, but the issues are alive and real.
I largely agree with Erik. Users at the extremes have the power at
Commons
and this reality is actively damaging the wiki
culture. Commons
isn't alone in having this problem: the defensive (and hostile)
response to the firehose is expected and predictable. But it still
remains a real
problem.
MZMcBride
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