On 4/25/06, Walter van Kalken <walter(a)vankalken.net> wrote:
Delphine Ménard wrote:
A Vereniging is
a member organisation, much on the model of all other
Wikimedia Chapters. Its board is elected by the general assembly, made
up of members who pay their fees to be part of the organisation. Note
that members *have* to be part of the Wikimedia projects to be members
of the organisation. Which, if anything, puts the power in the hands
of *the community*.
This is absolutely contradictory to what RonaldB writes. HE writes:
(
http://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:De_kroeg#Een_poging_tot_samenvatting)
"Iedereen, er is geen enkele beperking, kan lid worden. Zelfs mensen die
nergens aktief zijn. Nederlanders en niet-Nederlanders, enz."
"Everybody, there is no limitation, can become a member. Even people who
are active nowhere. Dutch people, non Dutch people."
Probably my mistake. I had in mind that the Vereniging only accepted
people who were part of the Wikimedia projects. Read my interventions
on the English translations of the bylaws, I was personally against
it. And all the better if other people can become members. My
experience proves that sometimes, people who have never edited a wiki
can be excellent members of the organisation.
[snip]
Untill people threatened to start a
desysopping against him. then he all of a sudden responded. A person who
acts like this ..... how can I trust him or her?
[snip]
I continue to see this mixing of the "project" with the
"organisation", I believe it is a mistake. I am sorry, but you don't
"desysop" someone for something they have done in real life. You do if
they've abused their rights and duties as editor or administrator.
I do not read Dutch, so I cannot refer to all the conversations you
point to and make my own opinion. I tried to give another perspective
on the matter and address the points I could address.
I am available to continue this discussion privately, or with the
chapters committee where relevant. I do not wish to engage further in
this debate here, as I believe this is a matter of the Dutch to
settle, it is they who should come up with a satisfying answer for all
parties involved, not those of us who don't read Dutch, nor have all
the facts.
Cheers,
Delphine
--
~notafish