On 4/25/06, Walter van Kalken walter@vankalken.net wrote:
Delphine Ménard wrote:
A Vereniging is a member organisation, much on the model of all other Wikimedia Chapters. Its board is elected by the general assembly, made up of members who pay their fees to be part of the organisation. Note that members *have* to be part of the Wikimedia projects to be members of the organisation. Which, if anything, puts the power in the hands of *the community*.
This is absolutely contradictory to what RonaldB writes. HE writes:
(http://nl.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia:De_kroeg#Een_poging_tot_samenvatting) "Iedereen, er is geen enkele beperking, kan lid worden. Zelfs mensen die nergens aktief zijn. Nederlanders en niet-Nederlanders, enz."
"Everybody, there is no limitation, can become a member. Even people who are active nowhere. Dutch people, non Dutch people."
Probably my mistake. I had in mind that the Vereniging only accepted people who were part of the Wikimedia projects. Read my interventions on the English translations of the bylaws, I was personally against it. And all the better if other people can become members. My experience proves that sometimes, people who have never edited a wiki can be excellent members of the organisation.
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Untill people threatened to start a desysopping against him. then he all of a sudden responded. A person who acts like this ..... how can I trust him or her?
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I continue to see this mixing of the "project" with the "organisation", I believe it is a mistake. I am sorry, but you don't "desysop" someone for something they have done in real life. You do if they've abused their rights and duties as editor or administrator.
I do not read Dutch, so I cannot refer to all the conversations you point to and make my own opinion. I tried to give another perspective on the matter and address the points I could address.
I am available to continue this discussion privately, or with the chapters committee where relevant. I do not wish to engage further in this debate here, as I believe this is a matter of the Dutch to settle, it is they who should come up with a satisfying answer for all parties involved, not those of us who don't read Dutch, nor have all the facts.
Cheers,
Delphine -- ~notafish