"And if it is illegal or borderline according to, say,
netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it appropriate to do it in
countries where the law is less developed? "
As said Kevin, it is impossible to respect the law of all countries in
every country (Wikipedia already fails at that in its current state by
the way, with or without Wikipedia Zero). So no we cannot "just
abstain from any
activity which might be perceived as illegal somewhere". After that,
are you suggesting we should apply the laws of some "developed"
countries to all countries and just ignore the others, this is way
more morally wrong in my opinion.
That being said, the law on net neutrality you cited applies to ISP,
which Wikipedia Zero or the WMF isn't, so it doesn't apply to it.
But of course, we as a community and the WMF should still keep high
ethical and moral standards.
JP Beland
aka Amqui
2013/8/26, Andre Engels <andreengels(a)gmail.com>om>:
Dutch telecommunication law, article 7.4a (the net
neutrality article),
paragraph 3:
"Aanbieders van internettoegangsdiensten stellen de hoogte van tarieven
voor internettoegangsdiensten niet afhankelijk van de diensten en
toepassingen die via deze diensten worden aangeboden of gebruikt."
"Offerers of internet access services do not make the tariffs for internet
access services dependent on the services and applications that are offered
or used via these services."
If an isp offers Wikipedia for free, and some other internet usage not,
then it has a different tariff dependent on the service that is offered.
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Stephen Bain <stephen.bain(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, every jurisdiction
that has legislated on net
neutrality has concentrated on preventing ISPs from blocking, degrading or
charging extra for particular services; not one of them has a problem with
providers giving away certain data for free.
S
On 26 Aug 2013 04:51, "rupert THURNER" <rupert.thurner(a)gmail.com> wrote:
hi,
most people know some advantage of wikipedia zero and everybody can
look up the advantages by just typing wikipedia zero into some search
engine. as i am not sure about the answer and anyway get asked in rare
cases what i think of wp:zero i guess it should be best answered on
the mailing list:
is wikipedia zero illegal in some countries because it violates net
neutrality? and if it is illegal or borderline according to, say,
netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it appropriate to do it in
countries where the law is less developed? or should wikimedia
foundation apply a higher moral standard and just abstain from any
activity which might be perceived as illegal somewhere?
just for the ones not so sure about net neutrality [1]:
Internet service providers and governments should treat all data on
the Internet equally, not discriminating or charging differentially by
user, content, site, platform, application, type of attached
equipment, and modes of communication.
[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Net_neutrality
rupert.
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