Yes I agree, but this means that MariaDB must be financed because it's strategical.
Financing MariaDB would be possible also to keep it "open/free" and to assure that Mediawiki runs in an open software.
But I am answering to the generic question "sponsorship/donations to other organizations" saying that the magic word "open" doesn't suppose the eligibility because there are some concepts which are functional to the open content (for instance the open data helps to improve the open content) and something which is important but less functional.
What happens for the affiliated groups should happen also for the external organizations indicating some parameters of eligibility.
Regards
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi, How do our users have the freedom to choose their own tools ? When they use MediaWiki, they are supported. MediaWiki is dependent on a stack of software that is open / free. This stack is essential and, MariaDB is part of it. Then there is free / open software used in extensions and stuff. There is software used for the management of our software, the WMF administration. It can be argued that software used on Labs may qualify but that is it.
All other software is not supported by the WMF and why should it. "Users" may choose whatever to produce their own open content but that is far removed from what we do and might support.
Yes we can produce another list. But what is the point; it does only list what we could support not what we will support nor does it provide any entitlement. Thanks, GerardM
On 23 September 2014 12:01, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
I agree, but the message is that to do open content is not mandatory to have open software. Everyone can release open content
generated/elaborated
with his own software.
And viceversa, who uses open software can use it also for "close"
content.
It's the same distinction that legally exists between software and content/data.
What I have understood is that there is a larger vision of open knowledge and a closer one. The same Wikipedia's articles are not clear.
Personally I consider the open knowledge derivative of the open software and a subset of the open software, but I respect the vision of the other party.
For this reason I am saying that should be defined who can receive financial support.
The importance of free software is not excluded (and I said that it's strategical), but the users have the freedom to choose their own tools
and
what can match their knowledge/expertise.
Regards
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Quim Gil qgil@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
The question is that open software and open knowledge are not so
close
as
open knowledge and open data and open content, for instance.
Maybe I'm misreading the "not so close" part, but just in case:
Free software is a subset of free knowledge, and a very important one
for
Wikimedia since all our content is digital. Free knowledge run by
non-free
software is captive, as many open initiatives dismissing this point
have
learned the hard way. We can't take for granted that free software will
be
always available and maintained either. This is why we need to take the collaboration with free software initiatives vital to us as seriously
as
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