Yes I agree, but this means that MariaDB must be financed because it's
strategical.
Financing MariaDB would be possible also to keep it "open/free" and to
assure that Mediawiki runs in an open software.
But I am answering to the generic question "sponsorship/donations to other
organizations" saying that the magic word "open" doesn't suppose the
eligibility because there are some concepts which are functional to the
open content (for instance the open data helps to improve the open content)
and something which is important but less functional.
What happens for the affiliated groups should happen also for the external
organizations indicating some parameters of eligibility.
Regards
On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com
wrote:
> Hoi,
> How do our users have the freedom to choose their own tools ? When they use
> MediaWiki, they are supported. MediaWiki is dependent on a stack of
> software that is open / free. This stack is essential and, MariaDB is part
> of it. Then there is free / open software used in extensions and stuff.
> There is software used for the management of our software, the WMF
> administration. It can be argued that software used on Labs may qualify but
> that is it.
>
> All other software is not supported by the WMF and why should it. "Users"
> may choose whatever to produce their own open content but that is far
> removed from what we do and might support.
>
> Yes we can produce another list. But what is the point; it does only list
> what we could support not what we will support nor does it provide any
> entitlement.
> Thanks,
> GerardM
>
> On 23 September 2014 12:01, Ilario Valdelli <valdelli(a)gmail.com
wrote:
>
> > I agree, but the message is that to do open content is not mandatory to
> > have open software. Everyone can release open content
> generated/elaborated
> > with his own software.
> >
> > And viceversa, who uses open software can use it also for "close"
> content.
> > It's the same distinction that legally exists between software and
> > content/data.
> >
> > What I have understood is that there is a larger vision of open knowledge
> > and a closer one. The same Wikipedia's articles are not clear.
> >
> > Personally I consider the open knowledge derivative of the open software
> > and a subset of the open software, but I respect the vision of the other
> > party.
> >
> > For this reason I am saying that should be defined who can receive
> > financial support.
> >
> > The importance of free software is not excluded (and I said that it's
> > strategical), but the users have the freedom to choose their own tools
> and
> > what can match their knowledge/expertise.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Quim Gil <qgil(a)wikimedia.org
wrote:
> >
> > > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Ilario Valdelli
<valdelli(a)gmail.com>
> >
wrote:
> >
>
> > > >
> > > > The question is that open software and open knowledge are not so
> close
> > as
> > > > open knowledge and open data and open content, for instance.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Maybe I'm misreading the "not so close" part, but just in
case:
> > >
> > > Free software is a subset of free knowledge, and a very important one
> for
> > > Wikimedia since all our content is digital. Free knowledge run by
> > non-free
> > > software is captive, as many open initiatives dismissing this point
> have
> > > learned the hard way. We can't take for granted that free software
will
> > be
> > > always available and maintained either. This is why we need to take the
> > > collaboration with free software initiatives vital to us as seriously
> as
> > > the collaboration with other open knowledge initiatives.
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