I do agree that with all good faith being assumed, Wil's style of
interaction is a bit new and the novelty is starting to wear off a bit. Wil
is of course his own individual and beyond respecting the soft posting
limits as part of this list's etiquette I do not think anyone is trying to
stifle or silence him against his interests.
People commenting on this list have been offering him the courtesy for him
to calm down with the constant posting for a bit of a breather, but he is
of course free to continue. As a person who has been following WMF's
actions and governance for a few years now, I think it might be best for
the organisation, Wil and Lila if Will let this thread die a natural death
now -- he's already started a few others that can take things forward in a
more constructive manner and that do not need his involvement. I am sure he
will be able to contribute to more debates once the posting limits reset,
and he and everyone else had some time to think and recharge by doing
something else in the meantime.
In any case, Wil seems like a very interesting person and I hope I get to
meet him at Wikimania, still, I have to join the list of people who think
it would be in his best interests if he posted less and with more political
tact to this list considering that his actions and style reflect on his
P.S. I have used third person, impersonal pronouns so Wil is not compelled
to feel a need to reply. It was not meant in disrespect as if he was not
- at 30 posts/month as a
"soft limit". Wil is around the limit right now -
On Thu, May 29, 2014 at 12:46 AM, Wil Sinclair <wllm(a)wllm.com> wrote:
Greg, would you like to repeat your filth? He may need
someone to post
it in surrogate, since I believe he said he's banned here.
On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:38 PM, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Wil, ask Kohs to repeat his filth. I'm not
going to do it for him.
On 28 May 2014 23:37, Wil Sinclair <wllm(a)wllm.com> wrote:
> I didn't know that he called you a "faggot." Could you please show me
> I mentioned I didn't agree with him on everything. I certainly would
> *never* agree that a slur like that is justified, if he did make it.
> In any case, the quote stands. Maybe we should start a separate thread
> on the quote itself?
> On Wed, May 28, 2014 at 3:31 PM, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Wil, you are supporting a man that thought it was a hilarious joke to
>> call me a faggot. Not something that I am prepared to overlook, ever.
>> I now have serious reservations about Lila's good judgement in failing
>> to ensure you were appropriately advised, considering her critical
>> role in the Wikimedia movement.
>> On 28 May 2014 23:18, Wil Sinclair <wllm(a)wllm.com> wrote:
>>> First off, I said that about Greg, and I firmly believe it. He's
>>> uncovered many controversies at Wikipedia. In fact, his article was
>>> the first to be critical of Lila's appointment, and- save the rather
>>> petty comment about airline fees at the end- was pretty on-point. That
>>> doesn't mean that I agree with everything Greg says, just that I
>>> personally am glad someone is saying it. He added *Wil Sinclair*,
>>> Partner of Lila Tretikov (Wikimedia Foundation executive director);
>>> I'd prefer he just leave it at "Wil Sinclair," but it's
>>> call on what he puts on his own site.
>>> Now, I don't know what Lila thinks of this- and I don't want to
>>> but I would really like to understand if there is a chance for any
>>> leader to change the concerning aspects of the WP community at this
>>> point. I know that if there is, it's likely to be a very strong,
>>> charismatic leader like Lila. But if there isn't, then so be it and
>>> it's better to know now. And I'm pretty sure that if the community
>>> here wants positive change, it has to be ready to talk about the hard
>>> problems- no matter who brings them up. Whatever happens, Lila is
>>> going to land on her feet; no one need worry about her. But, again,
>>> that's all just my opinion.
>>> I know you didn't ask me for a response, but this mail is all about me
>>> so I felt justified chiming in. Thanks for (intentionally) taking it
>>> to the list this time. :)
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