I am 100% sure that such feature is optional: users must have the option to deactivate it. The feature will only work if it is an opt-out feature, because if users are informed about adding to Wikidata, most of them do. It are exactly those users who have not been informed which should get a message.
Romaine
2015-10-29 21:19 GMT+01:00 Todd Allen toddmallen@gmail.com:
If you've had some users requesting such a feature, could it perhaps be added as an opt-in preference setting? I'd be very annoyed by such a feature if it couldn't be disabled, and many might just be confused by it. On Oct 29, 2015 2:08 PM, "Romaine Wiki" romaine.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
That is comparing it with wrong examples that are not relevant here. On Wikipedia we have the guideline that articles an categories should be added to Wikidata, that originates back to the phase that only manual interwikis existed.
And we have already received complaints why users do not get a message after they created a category/article to add it to Wikidata.
Further I propose this only for (logged in) users, and perhaps further settings are possible.
At the moment the largest workload is coming from articles that are not added to Wikidata. Some users produce five articles a day, all not added
to
Wikidata, while the articles are fine. In two days we have about 100 new articles on nl-wiki, all not added to Wikidata. This is just one wiki,
and
a huge workload to get them added properly.
Romaine
2015-10-29 20:46 GMT+01:00 Risker risker.wp@gmail.com:
Whatever happened to "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit"?
This is adding a layer of complexity and expectation that I don't
really
feel comfortable with. We don't expect people to add images to Commons when they write an article. We don't expect people to include
definitions
in Wiktionary when they are using a word. We don't expect people to be adding material to Wikisource or add quotes to Wikiquote. For that
matter,
we don't expect people to write Wikipedia articles about what they
review
on wikisource, or about images they add to Commons, or quotes they add
to
Wikiquote. So why would we set up any kind of expectation that people would add "data" to Wikidata?
I also am concerned that people will add a new article that, bluntly
put,
isn't going to last more than an hour...get these messages, and add
junk
data to Wikidata. Wikidatians are working hard to add referencing and improve what is there already, but it's a huge labour and we shouldn't
be
adding to their mountain of work unnecessarily.
Risker/Anne
On 29 October 2015 at 14:37, Romaine Wiki romaine.wiki@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi all,
I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata development: a
better
integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects.
Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those are
not
added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject
exists.
Users forget to add a newly created article to Wikidata as there is
no
stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that after
the
creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen, etc)
in
what they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In the
first
stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be
better
if
this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can stay
in
Wikipedia (or another project), without having to go to Wikidata.
A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of
properties
(if missing), like instance of, and based on this entry further
properties.
This will make sure that there is a better integration of Wikipedia
and
her
sister projects with Wikidata through this workflow.
For this I created a Phabricator task at: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117070
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