Hello Ziko,
speaking for myself. I am for such an approach. But I would also like to
see such a project, because it is so important, to be prepared
carefully. The suggestions is not made the first time, and last time
when the suggetion was on meta, it was discussed until no one can give
it a chance anymore.
I also don't see such a project really as a compititor to the "adult"
Wikipedia. I think both projects can benefit from each other alot.
Now one step back. Encyclopedia for kids is not new. A lot of classic
encyclopedia has their kid version. This shows that a kid encyclopedia
is not just an encyclopedia in "dumn" language. Contrarily, I think a
kid encyclopedia is far more challenging to write, because you need more
pedagogic skills. And building up such skills by our contributors can
again benefit Wikipedia. There are also other online kid encyclopedia
from which we can learn from their experiences. I definitively would
like to see what Robert would find out in this respect and how his
research can encourage us or help us in this new endeavor.
Greetings
Ting
Ziko van Dijk wrote:
Hello,
It seems to me doubtless that there is a substantial number of active
Wikimedians who see the need in a simple or children-encyclopedia and
would like to invest some of their own sweat, blood and tears. Others,
who disagree, may stand on the side line and comment if they like.
There are a lot of single questions when defining the exact scope
etc., but the main question remains: Would WMF accept such a project,
or would it reject it for being just another Wikipedia in already
existing languages. So, how different the new project must be from
Wikipedia. The original fear is that a linguistic group is split into
two communities whereas the forces usually should be concentrated in
one Wikipedia. A Wikipedia in "simple English", we were told, is
essentially a Wikipedia in English.
But if a project, for example, directs itself to a relativeley limited
group of readers (children), with consequences for the content
(limited length of articles, no explicit images), usage of language
(no hard words), wouldn't it be different enough from a "usual"
Wikipedia?
Kind regards
Ziko
2010/6/27 Ting Chen <wing.philopp(a)gmx.de>de>:
Hello Milos,
reading your mail below I am wondering why your reaction on my first
mail was so aggressive. It looks to me as if your consideration is not
that far away from mine. Especially I wrote in my suggestion that first
of all the project must have a very clearly defined scope and audiance,
second that it should have a more rigid editorial and anti-vandal
mechanism and third that we need more research.
Greetings
Ting
Milos Rancic wrote:
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 2:09 AM, Mark Williamson
<node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote:
The difference was that Wikipedia was not made
for young people.
If I run a social group for adults and there are issues with children
who visit, I can blame it on their parents and say they should control
them better. If I run a social group for children, I'm now a childcare
provider and have a greater degree of responsibility.
It is not [just] about blaming each other. It is about underestimating
child capacities and playing with their trust.
Child is perfectly able to recognize what is "for adults" and what is
"for children": everything not marked ("marked" in various ways) as
"for children" is for adults. And they are able to treat differently
those two types of phenomena. "For adults" is not safe, while "for
children" is safe. Depending on circumstances, "for children"
phenomena could be also boring to them, but safe.
And if we want to make a project in which children will trust as safe,
we have much higher responsibility than we have for creating any other
project not marked as a "project for children".
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