Hoi,
What you write is completely beside the point. At issue is Sardinian and
Sassarese not Romansh or Lombard. As far as the language committee is
concerned, there are four Sardinian languages and none of them is the Limba
Sarda Comune.
We are quite adamant that a language needs recognition as such. There are
many issues with regard to this kind of recognition but the most relevant
part is that it is a process that takes time and involves many experts. It
takes so much time because the standard organisations do their best to get
it right. Where you describe dialects within a languages, it is not specific
to Italian languages. The issue of some people trying to come to a "unified"
language is not unique to Sardinia either.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 9/10/07, Ilario Valdelli <valdelli(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Sardinian is a collection of different dialects spoken in Sardinia.
The environment is similar to Romansh (which is a collection of
different languages as Surmiran, Sursilvan etc.) with the difference
that the super-language Romansh is officially recognized and has got a
grammar and a dictionary.
The problem is generated because it's not clear what is language and
what is dialect.
Using dialect in some environment like Europa you could have
differences between two closest town. The nuances are very strong and
the language is not stable (there differences during the years and
influences).
The Lumbard (
lmo.wikipedia.org) for example has got hundred different
dialects and not a superlanguage officially recognized, and two
different speakers of two lumbard dialect are not completely
understandable each other.
Ilario
On 9/10/07, GerardM <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
There is a Wikipedia in the Sardinian
language<http://sc.wikipedia.org/wiki/P%C3%A0gina_printzipale>le>.
It uses the sc ISO-639-1 code. What was known as Sardinian became srd in
the
ISO-639-2. In the ISO-639-3 it was recognised as
a
macrolanguage<http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/scope.asp#M>#M>;
practically what was called Sardinian was split into four
languages<http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=srd>
.
The Italian government has officially recognised the Sardinian language
or
the "Limba Sarda Comune". This is in
essence a constructed language as
it
tries to make one language out of the four
"dialects". One of the
effects
has been that some people prevent others from
writing in one of the four
languages on the sc.wikpedia.
The language committee of the Wikimedia Foundation has a request to
approve
a new language; one of the Sardinian languages,
Sassarese with ISO code
sdc.
There are two problems to deal with:
- The "Limba Sarda Comune" is not recognised as a language
- The proponents of the "Limba Sarda Comune" reserve the
sc.wikipediafor their language
This issue is political. The first thing that I understand when you go
to
the official website
<http://www.sardegnacultura.it/linguasarda/> is the
notion of identity and indeed, to create one Sardinian identity it would
be
instrumental to have a unifying language.
However, the map of the
Sardinian
languages
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Lingue_di_Sardegna_mod.gif>
is
clear, the island is divided in four.
Given that the language committee has as one of its rules that political
arguments are not accepted, there are a few conclusions that we should
make.
1. Sassarese can have a conditional approval
2. We urge the proponents of the Limba Sarda Comune to ask for the
recognition of this newly constructed language from ISO.
I have had a chat with Debbie
Garside<
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Advisory_board#Debbie_Garside>about
all this, and I understand that it is necessary
to apply for an
ISO-639-3 code before an IANA language code is likely to be approved. At
least fifty published works in the Limba Sarda Comune will be required.
Thanks,
GerardM
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