Re: [Foundation-l] Ukrainian Wikipedia

Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:18:39 +0300 From: ahonc.ua(a)gmail.com To: foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Foundation-l] Ukrainian Wikipedia Hi. I want to tell about copyright problems in Ukrainian Wikipedia. (sorry for my non-pure English, I believe that somebody will understand me) Sysops of uk-wp abuse copyright uploading images with wrong licences. Some of them uploads non-free images with free licence. Other ones use fairuses in templates and userpages. And you may upload ANY image and put license {{Fairuse in}} and image will stay on Wikipedia during months. Many images has no source or no author information. There are also many images without fairuse rationale (FUR) and without sources or licences. There are also articles from Great Soviet Encyclopedia, Ukrainian Soviet Encyclopedia, Encyclopedia of Ukraine, Mining Encyclopedia and others. I wrote some RfArb's about copyright for this books, but Arbitrators said me that they are not under copyright (but I don't think so). About images: In 2007, when I was sysop of uk-wp, I tagged hundreds of images and after few months I deleted them. After my desysoping (I think it was bureaucrats' mistake) we can observe "deletion wars" between sysops: one of them (Albedo) deleted images as no licenced and other one (A1) restored them; and last day they repeat. So some images was deleted and restored three times. Albedo in January put empty templates for fair-use rationale to hundreds of images and in February he was desysopped (not only for dealing with images but it was one of reasons). Then there was many images with nld, nsd templates, and nobody delete them. I told about it on the IRC channel #wikipedia-ru, but some of users told about this to Ukrainian admins. After it some of them spy upon me on IRC channels (stewards and ru) to I don't blurt out something about copyrights. So, Ukrainian Wikipedia has many images with wrong licences and some users reupload these images to Commons but Commons' admins deleted images. And users don't understand why and blame me (I am Commons' sysop). Btw, after this my comment: http://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=11881974 some users on IRC blame me: "You discredit uk-wp" and some admins don't speak with me after that.. Then I suffer :'( But last week I had some conflict with one of sysops (Turzh): he made edit war (twice revert my edits without comments) and then protect article. I wrote Arbcom request about it, but it is not accepted yet. In request I wrote also: "There are hundreds images with nld and nsd. Sysops must deal with them instead of edit warring". And then he begin "deals" with these images. I was wandered: on some images he replace {{nld}} with {{Fairuse in}}, in other ones - replaced CC-BY-SA with PD-self. Then he begins to upload images with license CC-BY-SA from the site sobory.ru , but author allows only non-commercial usage: see (OTRS ticket#2008070810020169). I ask that sysop to delete these images because such permission is unappropriate but he continued upload images. Today I ask him again to delete it (because images with free license maybe uploaded by any user to Commons; and I as Commons' sysop care about purity of project), but he said that he not uploaded it in Commons, it is uk-wiki, and he does what he want. Then I put templates {{db}} to some images but he revert tagging, protect some articles and blocked me for 24 hours. And he wrote ultimatum: "if somebody unblock Ahonc that I'll leave Wikipedia", that's why another admins fear to unblock me, because Turzh will leave wiki and later other users will be said about that sysop: "Oh, look, it is that guy, due to him Turzh left Wikipedia"... I suggest to emergency desysop of user Turzh (and maybe some others, i.e. A1, who also abuse EDP); block him for copyright abusing; unblock me. And also I propose to forbid upload images to uk-wp (such as in Spanish wiki) because sysops don't know how to deal with them. -- Anatoliy Honcharov (Анатолій Гончаров)