Julius, I do understand your feelings (believe me: I do) but screaming and
offend the board (Like call them "highly confused and amateur") will not
help you in your cause.
I do understand your anger against the board and their decision (even
because your wiki decided to NOT have the filter.) but I think is better to
try solve that with discussion first, and after - as a last change - you can
start a war if you want.
Please note that the board didn't said yet (and I hope they never say) that
they will placed any filter in all wikis. I do agree that a statement saying
they will not impose the filter in wikis who voted against (fr and de so
far) would be better, but lest work with what we have now.
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On 10 October 2011 13:00, Julius Redzinski <julius.redzinski(a)hotmail.de>wrote;wrote:
That can't be meant serious anymore. You first make a Board decision and
then
want to research how big the problem is or if it at all exists, after you
already made
the decision about the solution? The Board seems to act on a highly
confused
and amateur level ... it is not to understand anymore what is going on
there.
On such a decision the Board should have before making any decision
researched
really what raeders expect and want and this with empathy for different
regions and
the understanding that germany maybe has different needs than the arabic
room and
that a making them all the same is not a good idea, and not empathic at
all. Before a
Board decision there would have been to be a poll that really ask the right
questions,
not this fake thing with no impact at all. The way the Board acted on this
and now not
even says "yes, we fucked it up, we take the decision back and start at
point zero
again" is a shame for teh complete Wikimedia world and community.
Second last point: Give back to the editors the responsibility to amke the
choice how the can
present their educational content to the readers. That is no Board
decision. If a
community says we don't need the filter, then the Board doesn't know any
better
about the needs and wishes of teh users of this project and shouldn't act
into it
this way.
Last point: The Board should start fisrt thinking and then deciding. It
would reduce much
the danger of splitting the communities an the Wikipedias. The Board seems
a little
bit too american, first shooting by feeling threatend and then asking ...
That is not
the way the Board should work. So act responsible and take back the
decision
until a really good decision process would have been made through ...
Julius Redzinski (de:Julius1990)
On 10.10.2011 13:24, wrote Ting:
Hello Fae,
thank you very much for pointing this out. Yes, I think you indeed hit
the nail. We discussed this problem on our meeting and Sue provided some
plans on how to work on this problem. I am normally reluctant to comment
what the staff is doing or what they are planning to do, because this
often can be seen as an intervening of the staff activity. But I think
it is ok for me to spoil this a bit now: So Sue suggests a two step
approach. In the first step we will only collect reader reactions on
images, to see if there is a problem at all, how big is the problem, and
where are the problems. And on a second step, when we have those data
and can work out an understanding of it, then we can go on to work out
dedicated solutions for the problems, as I said in my letter, together
with the community.
Greetings
Ting
On 09.10.2011 23:55, wrote Fae:
> Hi Ting,
>
> Thanks for explaining the position of the board in your own words. I
> appreciate the board is listening. I am concerned that you state that
> the board is acting from "belief", I recommend you consider how this
> can move to proposing a strategy based on facts and non-controversial
> analysis.
>
> I suspect that any proposal for change will be strongly resisted and
> continue to divide our community until well understood and well
> communicated facts underpin the board's resolution rather than
> personal belief.
>
> Cheers,
> Fae
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