Gerard, I think your comment is highly inappropriate. I don't generally like to pile on, but this needs calling out. When discussing these sensitive topics, the very least we can expect, is a careful approach to the matter.
I don't know the underlying situation well enough to establish who's right, to verify claims or to find whether the actions taken are reasonable (be it towards Romaine or towards the complainants). I can only assume you have roughly the same amount of information - and in such a situation a level of humility would be fitting.
We can discuss process, but should never say that involved parties 'make this about themselves'. Leave that determination to those who are actually familiar with all the facts.
Lodewijk
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 4:03 PM Philip Kopetzky philip.kopetzky@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Molly for your thoughtful words, I really hope your words make some people think about their own replies in this thread.
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 23:42, GorillaWarfare < gorillawarfarewikipedia@gmail.com> wrote:
I do not know Romaine, I do not know Caroline, and I do not know much
about
the events that have led up to all of this other than what has been said
on
this mailing list. It is easy to take sides in cases like these, based on who you know best, your past experiences with that person, and a
multitude
of other reasons. I suspect no one truly knows the whole story (even the folks who were directly involved—after all, you can never know the intentions of another person, or how they are interpreting your own actions). But what we do know is that some actions Romaine took led to Trust & Safety deciding they needed to intervene. They are tasked with keeping people within our movement safe, both online and in person at events. In my experience they do an extremely good job.
It is extremely disappointing, and *extremely typical* of the Wikimedia movement, to see an entire thread like this dedicated to supporting
someone
who Trust & Safety has found to have acted in such a way that they had to intervene. It is even more disappointing to see a person who was affected by his actions told "this is not your story" and "it may help you when
you
grow some sensitivity and respect this experience, the feelings of others."
If you're wondering why women leave the Wikimedia movement, and why Wikimedia has such a bad harassment problem in general, just reflect on this thread.
– Molly (GorillaWarfare) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GorillaWarfare
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 6:26 PM Pierre-Selim pierre-selim@huard.info wrote:
Her POV ?
Well I can confirm what Caroline said.
What more do you want ? To verify all other reports ?
It's sad that things have escalated this far, but may be it's time to wonder why it escalated like that. There was multiple incidents
reported.
Things that should have stayed private were told on this mailing list
by
Romaine... well when do we stop this ?
Please keep in mind when you cast your support here that people who
have
reported Romaine might be reading this.
Le jeu. 20 juin 2019 à 23:12, Gerard Meijssen <
gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
a écrit :
Caroline, For me this is not your story. Your insistence of making it so has
quite
the opposite effect. I have known Romaine, the tireless efforts for
us
all
he has given us over the years, I grieve for our collective loss. I
do
not
know you and you are intruding on what is a feeling shared by many.
It
may
help you when you grow some sensitivity and respect this experience,
the
feelings of others. Maybe it is too difficult for you, I do not know
as I
do not know you at all.
What I wonder is to what extend do you know Romaine, to what extend
are
you
stuck in your pov. Thanks, GerardM
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 at 19:00, Caroline Becker <
carobecker54@gmail.com>
wrote:
This is such a lost. Not only did you waisted an opportunity to
learn
and
grow from your mistakes the first time, you reiterate here, showing
no
willingness to grow and learn.
But why would you take the difficult path, when by just claiming
your
right
to "weirdness" (which I guess only apply to you and none to the
people
you
hurt), you're rewarding with public support ?
Caroline
Le jeu. 20 juin 2019 à 18:55, Dennis During dcduring@gmail.com a
écrit :
I am ashamed that the movement has a climate that allows this
unfortunate
outcome
On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 7:15 AM Romaine Wiki <
romaine.wiki@gmail.com
wrote:
> Dear community, > > > About a month ago I have decided that I will indefinitely no
longer
attend > any WMF funded events as result of bullying, attempts to
silence
me,
> intimidation and treats against me. This has resulted in that I
feel
> extremely unsafe as the result of the behaviour of only a few individuals. >
>
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