Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with supportof bots)

I agree that the 1000000th article is much better than no article on the subject, and I too joined the project with no previous training ----- Original Message ----- From: "Balázs Viczián" < balazs.viczian(a)wikimedia.hu&gt; To: "Wikimedia Mailing List" <wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org<wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Monday, June 17, 2013 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Swedish Wikipedia reach 1 million (with supportof bots) I am totally supportive of the idea to create articles in this way if they > are more than a simple infobox with 5-6 stats in it. The bot generated > form > [1] of the millionth Swedish article is where these bot generated articles > can start from; a useful stub. If we take seriously this "collect the sum > of all knowledge" bla bla, then absolutely ok to generate such articles, > moreover it should be done wherever, whenever possible (like with the > Swedish lakes). > > Having zillions of articles will generate a lot of new editors from the > simple fact that more people will have chance (and larger chance) to bump > into wiki articles while browsing the internet. Or in an easier form: > Wikipedia will reach more people by cover more and more topics in a more > an > more detailed form. > > The first problem, you mention is who will maintain them. Well, probably > those who join through this massive expansion; who are already interested > in butterflies and actively learning about them on the net. Or those who > find their favourite fishing lake on Wiki and add some pictures and a bit > more detailed info about them. > > The other problem what you're describing is that all of these future new > editors will be "unqualified" (ni your wording "idiots") while all the > chapters are heavily working on "creating" qualified editors through their > various education programs. > > My question is: is this really a problem? How many of you joined Wikipedia > after being "educated" how to edit and stuff and how many of you joined by > "bumping" into articles so many times that you've eventually started > editing them? How many of you started as "idiots"? > > I did. > > Balázs > > [1] > http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/**index.php?title=Erysichton_** > elaborata&oldid=21735451<http://sv.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=E… > > > > 2013/6/17 Hubertl &lt;hubert.laska(a)gmx.at&gt; > > Payin´ peanuts, gettin´ monkeys >> >> Servin´ facts, gettin´ idiots. >> >> An unmanageable, not maintainable mass of articles is the best way to >> breed idiots. Because facts do not create knowledge. >> >> If that is our goal, then automatically created Wikipedias ar the best >> way >> to solve one of our biggest problems, namely the permanent loss of >> authors. >> >> Maybe it is completely sufficient if you know that somewhere facts are >> stored in a most possible stupid form. >> >> I started more than fifty years ago learning about facts, facts without >> understanding. But nine years ago I startet to learn something about >> knowledge, understanding and correlations. >> >> Why do not you need people like me? If we have bots now? >> >> Do we want to make ourselves more important with impressive numbers? >> >> Hubertl! >> >> The german language Wikipedia has no single article that was generated by >> a bot. I'm proud of it. If this would take place in de:WP, many people >> will >> leave this project. With certainty. >> >> Anyway, that does not matter, a bot is probably much better for monkeys! >> >> Am 16.06.2013 14:51, schrieb Nurunnaby Chowdhury: >> >> Congratulations swedish wikipedians!!!! >> >>> >>> *Nurunnaby Chowdhury Hasive* >>> Bangladesh Ambassador | Open Knowledge Network Foundation >>> (OKFN)<http://www.okfn.org> >>> Auto-confirmed, Reviewer & Roll backer Editor | Bangla >>> Wikipedia<http://bn.wikipedia.****org/wiki/user:nhasive<http:/** >>> /bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:**nhasive<http://bn.wikipedia.org/wiki/user:nhasive> >>>>>>>>> Treasurer & Coordinator (PR) | Bangladesh Open Source Network >>> (BdOSN)<http://www.bdosn.org> >>> Coordinator (PR) | Society for the Popularization of Science, Bangladesh >>> (SPSB) <http://www.spsb.org>* >>> *Central Team MOVers | Bangladesh Mathematical Olympiad Committee >>> (BdMO)<http://www.**matholympi**ad.org.bd <http://matholympiad.org.bd>< >>> http://www.matholympiad.org.**bd <http://www.matholympiad.org.bd>>> >>> Facebook: fb.com/nhasive | Twitter: >>> @nhasive<http://www.twitter.****com/nhasive<http://www.** >>> twitter.com/nhasive <http://www.twitter.com/nhasive>>>| >>> Skype: nhasive | >>> www.nhasive.com >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 6:46 PM, Liam Wyatt &lt;liamwyatt(a)gmail.com&gt; >>> wrote: >>> >>> grattis mina kompisar! >>> >>>> *Jag känner en bott, hon heter Lsjbot, Lsjbot heter hon...* >>>> >>>> It looks like Polish will be the next to hit the symbolic number: >>>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/****wiki/List_of_Wikipedias#100_**<http://meta… >>>> 000.2B_articles<http://meta.**wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_** >>>> Wikipedias#100_000.2B_articles<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_Wi… >>>> **> >>>> >>>> wittylama.com >>>> Peace, love & metadata >>>> >>>> >>>> On 16 June 2013 22:39, Tonmoy Khan &lt;tonmoy.du(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote: >>>> >>>> Congratulations!!! >>>> >>>>> >>>>> Tonmoy >>>>> On Jun 16, 2013 6:30 PM, "Patricio Lorente" < >>>>> patricio.lorente(a)gmail.com >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Congratulations to the swedish wikipedians! >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2013/6/16 Anders Wennersten &lt;mail(a)anderswennersten.se&gt;se>: >>>>>> >>>>>> Yesterday sv:wp reached 1 M articles. The one who did the passing >>>>>>> >>>>>>> was a >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> bot >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> generated article of a butterfly >>>>>>> http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Erysichton_elaborata<http://sv.wikipedi… >>>>>>> <http://**sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Erysichton_elaborata<http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erysichton_elaborata> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The bot behind this article is Lsjbot who creates articles from the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> database >>>>>> >>>>>> Catalogue of Life >>>>>>> http://www.catalogueoflife.****org/services/res/2011AC_**** >>>>>>> 26July.zip<http://www.**catalogueoflife.org/services/** >>>>>>> res/2011AC_26July.zip<http://www.catalogueoflife.org/services/res/2011AC… >>>>>>> >which >>>>>>> (complemented by other databases) which holds data of around 1.5 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> million >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> species. The bot genrates about 5000 new articles per day and has >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> generated >>>>>> >>>>>> just under 400 000 of the sv:wps million and continues... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The guy who runs he bot is a member of the Swedish chapters board >>>>>>> http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/****Kandidater_2013/Sverker_**** >>>>>>> Johansson<http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/**Kandidater_2013/Sverker_**Johan… >>>>>>> <http://se.wikimedia.**org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/**Sverker_Johansson<http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Kandidater_2013/Sverker_Johansson> >>>>>>> >and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> is >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> in his >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> civil life a University teacher. In this capacity he is also a guest >>>>>>> lecturer at the university of the Phillipines where he stayed the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> last >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> couple of months (and the bot was on hold). He is there active in >>>>> >>>>>> Cebuano-Wikipedia http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Unang_Panid<http://ceb.wikipedia.org/w… >>>>>>> <http://ceb.**wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid<http://ceb.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unang_Panid> >>>>>>> **>and >>>>>>> >>>>>>> supporting >>>>>> >>>>>> their local community, and he is now running his bot on their >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wikipedia >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> as >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> well as on the Warai-Warai Wikipedia >>>>>>> http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/****Syahan_nga_Pakli<http://war.wikipedia.… >>>>>>> <http://war.**wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_**Pakli<http://war.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syahan_nga_Pakli> >>>>>>> >. >>>>>>> So perhaps at the >>>>>>> >>>>>>> end >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> of the >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> year these two language versions will also pass the 1 million mark! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anders >>>>>>> PS out other major botgenerating effort of all lakes in Sweden is >>>>>>> >>>>>>> also >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> making very nice progress, done 25% of all DS >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>>>>>> Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.****org &lt;Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.** >>>>>>> org &lt;Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt;&gt; >>>>>>> Unsubscribe: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/****mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lis… >>>>>> <h**ttps://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Patricio Lorente >>>>>> Blog: http://www.patriciolorente.**c**om.ar <http://com.ar>< >>>>>> http://www.**patriciolorente.com.ar<http://www.patriciolorente.com.ar> >>>>>>>>>>>> Identi.ca // Twitter: @patriciolorente >>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>>>>> Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.****org &lt;Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.** >>>>>> org &lt;Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt;&gt; >>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/** >>>>>> mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<h**ttps://lists.wikimedia.org/** >>>>>> mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinf… >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>>> >>>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>>>> Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.****org &lt;Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.** >>>>> org &lt;Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt;&gt; >>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**** >>>>> mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listi… >>>>> <h**ttps://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>>> >>>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>>> Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.****org <Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org<Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**** >>>> mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listi… >>>> <h**ttps://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l> >>>>>>>> >>>> ______________________________****_________________ >>>> >>> Wikimedia-l mailing list >>> Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.****org <Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org<Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**** >>> mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listi… >>> <h**ttps://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l> >>>>>> >>> >>> ______________________________****_________________ >> Wikimedia-l mailing list >> Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.****org <Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.**org<Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> >>>> Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**** >> mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listi… >> <h**ttps://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l> >>>> >> ______________________________**_________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list > Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.**org &lt;Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists… > > ______________________________**_________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.**org &lt;Wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org&gt; Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l<https://lists…