2014-12-12 16:40 GMT+02:00 Liam Wyatt <liamwyatt(a)gmail.com>om>:
From: Craig Franklin
<cfranklin(a)halonetwork.net>
Am I the only one that sees the irony in asking
folks not to pick on the
Commons community, then immediately asserting that enwp is the source of
all drama?
Not just that, but also... Am I the only one that sees the irony in how
this thread started by arguing that the Commons community "...cares more
about strict free licensing than it does about utility to people who need
knowledge", and then the conversation quickly veered off into an omnibus of
WikiLawering about strict free-licensing minutiae: Tunisian
Freedom-of-Panorama,
Tractor logos and Israeli Government Works!?!
So we're incapable to focus on the main issues. That happens when
everyone has it's on "main" problem. That doesn't mean we have to
dismiss the whole thread. Branching on smaller problems might help.
2014-12-12 16:40 GMT+02:00 Liam Wyatt <liamwyatt(a)gmail.com>om>:
There are at least three independent *software
*projects that are underway
which will hopefully help to address this issue:
They sound great, but they will take years [1], time that we don't
know if we have. You might convince GLAMs to collaborate with you
later on, but not individual contributors. A person "lost" for the
Wikimedia community is most likely lost for good. We need an solution
sooner, and it needs to involve some social networking - tech is never
the only solution when it comes to interactions between people.
[1]
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Structured_data/Overview#What_is…
2014-12-12 13:56 GMT+02:00 Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com>om>:
Some of the structure of Commons is frustrating, often
because of the
clumsy workflow for file uploading, moving, deleting. I hope to see
many improvements over the next two years. As there are only around
150 active admins on Commons (a tenth of the English Wikipedia's), it
is worth asking one for help, the response you get will tend to be
personal and common sense rather than bureaucracy or wikilawyering.
You keep speaking about moving, deleting and other administrative
tasks, while this thread was about making Commons a place where it is
at least predictable if a file will be kept or not, or better yet,
about making Commons a real alternative to Flickr Commons and similar
repositories. I am sorry, but your messages do not offer any solution
in that direction.
I'm sorry if you had a bad experience in the past. If you are familiar
with IRC, it sometimes helps to discuss an issue in real time on the
Commons channel before responding to issues on-wiki.[2]
I had more than one bad experience, with some downright incredible.
Luckily for me, I happened to be a Wikipedian long before I started
uploading to Commons, so I was prepared for most of it. But the
average newcomer that comes through, say, WLM but wants to continue
contributing will not have the kind of patience it takes to upload and
keep a debatable image from being deleted.
Does that happen on Wikipedia as well? Yes, with the notable
difference that Commons should have a somewhat lower entry barrier
than English Wikipedia at this point (uploading an image is easier
that adding to articles that are either quite big or on difficult
subjects). So it should be much easier to get external people to
contribute to Commons and then to Wikipedia than the other way around.
Unfortunately, we are currently light-years away from this, and this
is easily visible in the percentage of conversions from WLM.
Strainu