Peter
... and people who disagree post comments to that effect in a free, fair
and frank exchange of views. So all is well.
Reynard
On Sun, Aug 20, 2017 at 5:18 AM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote:
Funny thing,
That is what I would have said of Fae as well
Cheers,
Peter
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Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 11:07 PM
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Canmore database and claims of copyright on
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Peter,
Thanks for the compliment. I just call them as I see them.
Richard
On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 9:42 PM, Peter Southwood <
peter.southwood(a)telkomsa.net> wrote:
Rogol,
Not everyone is blessed with your easy-going tolerance and automatic
assumption of good faith.
Cheers,
Peter
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From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On
Behalf Of Rogol Domedonfors
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2017 10:16 PM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Canmore database and claims of copyright on
public domain works
Fae,
You seem rather too quick to leap to the conclusion that anyone who
disagrees with you on intellectual property has an imperfect
understanding or is consciously committing "copyfraud". Have you made
any attempts whatsoever to engage with the organisation in question to
find what their position is and consider whether it might have some
merits? Have you considered that if you were to approach them in a
less aggressive fashion, they might be happy to work with you or others
to release
their collection?
Alternatively, if you are absolutely confident that your understanding
of the law is correct and theirs is not, then you are at no risk of
being successfully prosecuted, so what is your problem?
"Rogol"
On Sat, Aug 19, 2017 at 4:31 PM, Fæ <faewik(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> The Canmore database,
https://canmore.org.uk, describes itself as
> the "online catalogue of the National Record of the Historic
Environment.
It holds
detailed information and archive images for more than
300,000 places in Scotland." Canmore is part of Historic Environment
Scotland (HES).
I'm aware that Wikimedia UK has helped to fund several projects in
Scotland, so there is a network of contacts that could help take a
look at the problematic claims of copyright. Perhaps someone can
offer to take action to help Historic Environment Scotland reach a
better understanding of copyright and avoid basic copyfraud errors?
In theory this could be a marvelous reference resource for open
knowledge about the history of Scotland, but the online catalogue
seems more like a retail outlet geared to maximise the cash to be
made from selling archive images, many of which are obviously public
domain. There are two basic problems:
* The online archive is limited to 800px width images, with website
users directed to buy higher resolutions which are claimed to be a
minimum of 3,000 pixels wide.
* Regardless of age, source or photographer all images are claimed
as copyright with the conditions including "No permission is given
for any commercial use, distribution or reproduction in these terms.
Please use the BUY option for these purposes and separate licences
will be provided."
I would be delighted to release some of the public domain
collections from Canmore at high resolution to Wikimedia Commons,
but at the moment it's all locked down. In fact were I to try to
release the disappointingly small 800px versions of public domain
images, even using the "required" attribution to RCAHMS (which no
longer exists), I would be at personal risk of prosecution by HES
based on the site terms and conditions. See examples 1 and 2.
Examples:
1. Photograph of Hanover Street taken in 1870 by an unknown
photographer, making it likely to have been public domain from 1898.
https://canmore.org.uk/collection/466213
2. Over 950 photographs taken by Francis M Christal, who died in
1944, making all photographs public domain in 2014:
https://canmore.org.uk/collection/result?GROUPCATEGORY=5&SIMPLE_
KEYWORD=Francis%20M%20Chrystal&collection_items_page=40
Thanks,
Fae
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