The board will be discussing this of course. We do not
have a group
position at this point in time.
J
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:47 PM Jeff Hawke <geoffey.hawke(a)gmail.com> wrote:
James
Thanks for that. As a member of the Board, would you clarify the Board's
position on whether it is prepared to see the final Recommendations
implemented irrespective of any disagreement from the community?
Jeff
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:05 PM James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I for one do not agree with Jan-Bart's prior
position.
James
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 4:40 AM Jeff Hawke <geoffey.hawke(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Paulo,
>
> You suggest that "things will not get pretty if the Wikimedia community
> does not approve some of the recommendations". You may recall that
just
five
years ago, Jan-Bart de Vreede, then chair of the WMF Board,
expressed
the opinion
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:LilaTretikov_(WMF)&a…
> over
> a much less dramatic change.
>
>> All of this is going to require change, change that might not be
> acceptable to some of you. I hope that all of you will be a part of
this
> next step in our evolution. But I understand
that if you decide to
take a
> wiki-break, that might be the way things have
to be. Even so, you have
to
let the
Foundation do its work and allow us all to take that next step
when
needed. I can only hope that your break is
temporary, and that you will
return when the time is right.
I presume this is a good summary of the WMF position today.
Jeff
On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 12:06 AM Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulosperneta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> If I've well understood the timeline, all input from the Wikimedia
> community ceases in mid September. Then it's all defined by the WGs
8and
> their advisors), and eventually decided upon
by the BoT around
December.
>> Therefore, after 15 September or so, the Wikimedia community will
only
be
> dealing with those recommendations again when
they are already in the
> process of implementation.
>
> It's quite easy to predict that things will not get pretty if the
Wikimedia
> community does not approve some of the recommendations that pass all
the
> way till implementation phase.
>
> Paulo
>
> Nicole Ebber <nicole.ebber(a)wikimedia.de> escreveu no dia quinta,
> 22/08/2019
> à(s) 11:58:
>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Thank you for your engagement and input. It’s been great seeing so
much
>>> attention on movement strategy and collaborative efforts for
building
> our
>>> future. Here are a couple of follow up responses and
clarifications.
>>>
>>> DRAFTS
>>> As pointed out in my previous email, the documents we recently
shared
are
>> recommendation drafts. They are not final, and not complete, but
working
>> documents that are currently being refined by the working groups.
Some
>> answers still read like stubs that are
longing for further
development,
>> others are very detailed and will become
more focused over the next
few
>>> weeks. We still decided to publish everything at once, to give
> everyone a
>>> full picture of the variety of topics and offer an insight into
> multiple
>>> progress levels.
>>>
>>> I would also like to reiterate that movement values, priorities and
>>> community conversation processes are high on our radar. A
> recommendation
>> to
>>> change the existing license model, for example, will not just go
> through
>> a
>>> quick approval process, but lead to a deeper exploration into the
>> reasoning
>>> behind it: What problems are we trying to tackle, and what could be
> ways
>> to
>>> mitigate them? Such recommendation would then rather suggest to
look
> into
>>> different measures to ensure indigenous knowledge is included in
the
>>
Wikimedia ecosystem, deploy research and further consultation,
instead
of
>> rushing to a quick fix.
>>
>> INTEGRATION
>> The working groups are taking input that they gathered at Wikimania
and
>> via
>>> different movement channels and incorporating it into the next
> iteration
>> of
>>> their recommendations. These documents will then serve as a basis
for
>>> harmonization across working groups.
>>>
>>> The input that we are gathering comes in on different levels. Some
of
> it
>>> targets structural level changes or emphasizes specific principles
or
>>> values, while other feedback is more
on the programmatic side or
> already
>>> addressing implementation. Structural input will continue to be
>> considered
>>> in forthcoming iterations of the recommendations. Programmatic
input
> will
>>> be documented and taken forward to inform the implementation.
>>>
>>> TIMELINE
>>> We wanted to get the English drafts out as soon as possible and the
>>> translations on a rolling basis, so that Wikimania participants
could
>> read
>>> and prepare to engage in person. Over the next few weeks, we will
do
>>> targeted, public outreach to online
project communities in multiple
>>> languages. We are soliciting feedback to shape the overall
direction
of
> the
>> recommendations through mid-September. Working Groups are already
working
>> on identifying gaps and overlaps with other groups to prepare for
>> harmonization.
>>
>> At the harmonization sprint in Tunis on 20-22 September, we will
bring
> 3
>>> representatives from each Working Group together to work to
develop a
> more
>> coherent set of recommendations. The group will be supported by
>> facilitators and external advice, as well as the core team. We have
also
>> invited María Sefidari, Katherine Maher, Ryan Merkley, Valerie
D’Costa
>>> (Wikimedia Foundation) and Abraham Taherivand (Wikimedia
Deutschland)
> to
>>> the sprint. They contribute expertise and experience from their
work
> and
>>> leadership in the movement and beyond. They will be active
listeners
> and
>>> can challenge recommendations by pointing out risks and
consequences
on
> the
>> organizational and movement level. They also participate as the
>> representatives of organizations that may be impacted by the
>> recommendations. Involving them early is important so they can
anticipate
>> any possible changes for their staff and programs, and plan for
>> implementation.
>>
>> Our aim is to release recommendations in November 2019, and present
them
> to
>> the Board of Trustees for approval in December. We will need the
legal
>>> authority of the board for some of the recommendations, while
others
will
>> then be further delegated to other community mechanisms and
structures
>> for
>>> approval or further consultation.[1] There will be additional
public
>>> consultation activities around
implementation that will be
discussed
and
>> owned across the movement.
>>
>> WORKING GROUPS
>> We have chosen the working group model to ensure that the process
that
>> embarks to make significant changes to
our movement structures is
owned
> by
>> the community. Members of the nine working group were selected by a
>> steering committee and the groups were established in July 2019.[2]
Group
>> members come from different parts of the movement, e.g. from
different
>> regions and languages, from individual
contributors and organized
groups,
>> and with different volunteer and staff roles, incl. Wikimedia
Foundation
>> staff and board.
>>
>> The groups are doing an amazing job. With many of them being
volunteers,
> or
>> doing this work on top of their regular jobs, creating the draft
>> recommendations is a huge achievement. They first needed to form,
storm
>> and
>>> norm as a group and figure out how to best work together across
time
>
zones,
>> languages, and contexts. They then took a deep dive into the
substance
> and
>> identified the scope of their work and the specific questions to
tackle
> for
>> us as a movement to advance in our strategic direction. The
development
> of
>> recommendations has started in spring this year, and – aside from
many
>>> online calls, asynchronous work and scarce in-person meetings –
> included
>>> incorporating community conversations and external expertise. It is
> only
>> to
>>> the hard work of these groups that we finally have something
tangible
in
>> front of us that we can all react to and help further improve to
build
>> our
>>> future together.
>>>
>>> Please join us in thanking, celebrating and supporting them, rather
> than
>>> rushing to conclusions or arguing over details. Please contribute
in
> good
>> faith, and in a constructive way.
>>
>> Let me know if you have further questions.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Nicole
>>
>> [1]
>>
>>
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard/July…
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working…
>>
>> On Wed, 21 Aug 2019 at 13:13, Yaroslav Blanter <ymbalt(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>> And this is the core problem of the whole process (which has been
> pointed
>>> out by multiple people from the very beginning)
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Yaroslav
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 21, 2019 at 12:27 PM Jeff Hawke <
geoffey.hawke(a)gmail.com
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Andy
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2019 at 7:41 PM Andy Mabbett <
>> andy(a)pigsonthewing.org.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, 19 Aug 2019 at 09:55, Jeff Hawke <
geoffey.hawke(a)gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> the WG then collate them and decide the final form of the
>>>>>> recommendations, to be implemented by the WMF
>>>>>
>>>>> This seems to be missing a rather crucial intermediate step;
the
> one
>>>>> where the recommendations are accepted, or not, by the wider
>> Wikimedia
>>>>> community.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That step is not mentioned at
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequen…
>>>> ?
>>>>
>>>> Jeff
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