But...but...Moushira just acknowledged the point. Gracefully, I think. Can't we simply trust her to incorporate the feedback into future announcements?
For anybody who had trouble discerning what the consultation is about, its first question makes it clear:
"How can we make Wikipedia more interactive for Readers?"
Great question. -Pete
On Tue, Mar 15, 2016 at 8:39 PM, Craig Franklin cfranklin@halonetwork.net wrote:
Hi Moushira,
The problem when you use jargon like "ideation" in this context is that you're essentially excluding anyone who isn't familiar with the particular terminology used in the field. Especially so when there are plenty of plain-English alternatives that can be used in its place. Note that there is a whole bunch of thought from experts that that word in particular is a particularly obnoxious piece of jargon:
- http://money.cnn.com/2014/10/26/pf/corporate-jargon/
- https://hbr.org/2008/08/why-jargon-feeds-on-lazy-minds.html
http://www.lifed.com/10-cringeworthy-business-jargon-examples-that-should-be...
It's hardly the worst example I've seen out of the WMF, but while we're on the topic it should be pointed out. Just because it's used elsewhere, it doesn't mean that the WMF has to fall into the same trap.
Cheers, Craig
On 16 March 2016 at 10:07, Moushira Elamrawy melamrawy@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello Fae,
Ideation phase [0], is a term widely used in product and design context. Now, I see your point around how volunteers who are not related to these fields, might not be familiar with it. Possibly something like, idea generation, or brainstorming could have replaced it.
I am not sure though if the factors that you have listed are relevant; I think it is a matter of using a word in a certain context where it
actually
fits, without realizing how a broader audience would perceive it.
In any case, thanks for the note :-)
[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideation_%28creative_process%29
Moushira
On Wed, Mar 16, 2016 at 1:51 AM, Fæ faewik@gmail.com wrote:
On 15 March 2016 at 22:33, Moushira Elamrawy melamrawy@wikimedia.org wrote: ...
The reading team is launching an experiment that supports early
engagement
in ideation phase, with a wide variety of users.
...
Hi, sorry to target your email with a more general observation, however there seems to be a lot of odd jargon in Wikimedia announcements over the last few months. It would be great to see more 'official' emails aimed at volunteers, written in plain and grammatically complete English. Phrases like "ideation phase" may be frequently used during meetings at the Wikimedia Foundation offices, but are unlikely to be heard in real life by volunteer contributors, and are unlikely to be easily understood outside of corporate America, especially by those without English as their first language.
Sorry again about picking at your announcement rather than any other, it just stood out today.
Thanks, Fae -- faewik@gmail.com https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Fae
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