To be clear, I still consider the process to be broken, and I think it would
help if there were more transparency there. More transparency means features
do not get implemented just because someone with the keys thinks its a good
idea, but because they spec'd the feature out formally and there was no
doubt in anyones mind that they had given due process to finding consensus.
I did not come to this thread attacking anyone, but rather a process. That
certain people felt attacked is unfortunate - they have missed my point.
I am willing to put in some work though. What I plan to do is show the grant
usability team (and mediawiki-l list) what editing Wikipedia articles might
look like with SMW+SF. I haven't been able to find an adequate demo of this.
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Brion Vibber <brion(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:
On 1/15/09 11:19 AM, Brian wrote:
Chad,
What more would you like me to do, specifically?
The first things that would help would be:
1) Stop looking to blame someone for past wrongs
2) Think of something that *would* actually help, and do that
When a discussion starts in a negative direction, and continues on and
on and on in that direction, it ends up alienating the people you would
need to be working with to accomplish your goal -- it all ends up
sidetracked as a big ad-hominem debate about who's a bigger jerk and
nothing actually productive gets done.
If you'd like to push for more active evaluation of SMW and introduction
of either SMW or a refactored, slimmed down data storage/query system to
testing and production use, I think that's great!
We've been looking at it for years and hoping we'd have a chance to poke
at it some day; it's the beginning of a new year, projects are starting
up, and this is a time that we're setting priorities.
But it would probably be better to focus on positives like thinking
about what can be accomplished and getting interested parties excited
about working together than to repeat over and over that you believe a
past decision was wrong -- even if you're absolutely sure that it was.
-- brion
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