To be clear, I still consider the process to be broken, and I think it would help if there were more transparency there. More transparency means features do not get implemented just because someone with the keys thinks its a good idea, but because they spec'd the feature out formally and there was no doubt in anyones mind that they had given due process to finding consensus. I did not come to this thread attacking anyone, but rather a process. That certain people felt attacked is unfortunate - they have missed my point.
I am willing to put in some work though. What I plan to do is show the grant usability team (and mediawiki-l list) what editing Wikipedia articles might look like with SMW+SF. I haven't been able to find an adequate demo of this.
On Fri, Jan 16, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Brion Vibber brion@wikimedia.org wrote:
On 1/15/09 11:19 AM, Brian wrote:
Chad,
What more would you like me to do, specifically?
The first things that would help would be:
- Stop looking to blame someone for past wrongs
- Think of something that *would* actually help, and do that
When a discussion starts in a negative direction, and continues on and on and on in that direction, it ends up alienating the people you would need to be working with to accomplish your goal -- it all ends up sidetracked as a big ad-hominem debate about who's a bigger jerk and nothing actually productive gets done.
If you'd like to push for more active evaluation of SMW and introduction of either SMW or a refactored, slimmed down data storage/query system to testing and production use, I think that's great!
We've been looking at it for years and hoping we'd have a chance to poke at it some day; it's the beginning of a new year, projects are starting up, and this is a time that we're setting priorities.
But it would probably be better to focus on positives like thinking about what can be accomplished and getting interested parties excited about working together than to repeat over and over that you believe a past decision was wrong -- even if you're absolutely sure that it was.
-- brion
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