MF-Warburg
I am now going to unsubscribe from this list (for the time-being anyway) so I am not
tempted to email to enter into more discussion. It's just not productive for me or
you.
If you think that my criticisms are just about one particular article you have missed my
main point, which concerns Wikipedia's credentialism and over reliance on official
sources, academic and governmental, which I have often found to be suspect.
Do look at
http://www.brusselsblog.co.uk/is-wikipedia-too-credentialist/ for a fuller
explanation.
I will continue to use Wikipedia (like so many other people) and pay my small monthly
contribution to Wikimedia.
Goodbye for now.
Best wishes
Geoff
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 14:17:51 +0200
From: MF-Warburg <mfwarburg(a)googlemail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Carbon footprints on Wikipedia.
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Can this whole discussion please be moved to enwiki or at least the enwiki
list? Working out details of an article is not really the topic of this
list.
Am 10.10.2013 12:44 schrieb "Geoff Beacon" <geoffbeacon(a)sent.com>om>:
Thanks James
... but that isn't an answer about carbon footprints. Climate change may
be controversial. I'm in the thick of that argument but carbon footprints
are simpler and fit with other information on Wikipedia. e.g. [Global
Warming Potential] and [Carbon Dioxide Equivalent]
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But now I've looked at those I'm very confused the "definition" of
[Carbon
Dioxide Equivalent] does not seem to be influenced by the lifetime of
greenhouse gasses as opposed to [Global Warming Potential]. Perhaps I have
been using a different concept of CO2e.
I've noticed that PAS2050 is referenced in [Carbon footprint]. There are a
some serious criticisms that can be made of this. As I remember it
-- ignores the radiative forcing index associated with air travel,
-- uses the unrealistic conventional wisdom of a 100 year time scale for
calculating carbon footprint
-- assumes all wood product will be returned to carbon dioxide
-- but allows cement to recapture some CO2 within their time-frame.
The consequences are to go easy on beef, air travel, cement, steel and
penalise wood products. This would be inline with government political
objectives and some commercial interests.
If I were to point these things out somewhere in the [Carbon footprint]
piece would my entry be removed? I know of no academic work that has
received funding to make these points so there is no peer reviewed
literature.
Could I quote PAS2050 as it isn't peer reviewed?
Best wishes
Geoff
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 17:37:49 +0800
"The inherent complexity and controversy of
carbon footprints".
What do you mean by that?
Even those who fight for inclusion of the facts about climate change
on Wikipedia aren't very likely to follow the peer reviewed secondary
literature when it comes to reporting the extent of changes in extreme
weather.
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Extreme_weather&action=history
has some good examples, with more going back years.
There's really no way to get Wikipedia to correctly reflect
controversial topics unless you are willing to invest the time it
takes to counter conflicted interest editing.
Good luck!
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Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2013 12:59:44 +0000 (UTC)
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Someone send me a link to this, articles being generated about Wikipedia
articles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIafRDt88NQ
based on this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_outdoor_artworks_at_the_Indianapolis_…
Quite funny.
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*www.sarahstierch.com*
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Date: Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:50:51 +0200
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It seems like the account has been removed already?
Lodewijk
2013/10/10 Sarah Stierch <sarah.stierch(a)gmail.com>
Someone send me a link to this, articles being
generated about Wikipedia
articles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIafRDt88NQ
based on this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_outdoor_artworks_at_the_Indianapolis_…
Quite funny.
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