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10/22/07 1:50 PM, Birgitte SB at
birgitte_sb(a)yahoo.com wrote:
This is an en.WP issue (again). Articles on
web-comics
have been deleted as not notable on en.WP. [1]
It
might be useful to share with Howard what the
actual
mission of Wiki*media* is and how it works, just
for
the sake of clarity. But I can't imagine
anyone
would
really support WMF writing and enforcing new
deletion
guidelines for en.WP or anything else that would
truly
appease him.
Brigitte,
This is the key to his message:
"If the foundation really cared about what these
editors write, and how they
treat other people, it would take steps to curb
their behavior."
The web-comics issue must, of course, be presented
to. But, to focus only on
the web-comics issue is like extinguishing a single
tree in the middle of a
forest fire.
The issue with Wikipedia is the deteriorating
culture, and the equally
deteriorating language of that culture! And anyone
who stands by and allows
it to happen - and to continue - is equally
culpable. Cultural change
happens only when the people who are a part of that
culture change. And a
culture is a reflection of everyone who is a part of
it.
Marc Riddell
This is why I suggested clarifying how the whole
system works to him. How each wiki is self-governing
and the core principles that WMF insists all the wiki
follow. I doubt it will change his mind about helping
but it would be good to clarify that the culture of
en.WP is not the culture of Wikimedia. The truth very
well might be that ja.WP is more accepting of articles
on webcomics and de.WP even less than en.WP. The
culture of Wikimedia is the culture of letting these
communities grow and each try their own methods. And
to allow everyone to communicate and learn from each
others methods. There is not cultural change needed
in this.
En.WP does have a problematic culture, but there is
little in this issue that conflicts with core
principles of Wikimedia. I don't see what WMF can do
to help en.WP grow up. What do you see WMF doing
about this issue?
Birgitte SB
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