I support the list admins in making this assessment. I dont think it is very
productive to then discuss every assessment on this list. So if we agree
that moderation might be necessary under certain circumstances, if we agree
what circumstances those are and who should be the list admins (or at least
there are no major objections of >33% of the members of this list), then I
suggest we leave it with that.
These circumstances have been discussed several times on this list, but if
you need to discuss something, please stick to those abstract circumstances,
and dont go into specific cases. I think that might actually carry some
value for the future.
Best,
Lodewijk
2010/10/22 Muhammad Yahia <shipmaster(a)gmail.com>
On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 12:54 AM, David Gerard
<dgerard(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 22 October 2010 08:19, Yaroslav M. Blanter
<putevod(a)mccme.ru> wrote:
If you are counting votes, please count mine for
moderation.
+1
Seriously, this list is commonly referred to as "troll-l" and lots of
chapter people refuse to even look at it. Pulling it out of the mire
might make it even slightly useful again.
+1 from me too.
I would also like to add that labeling someone a troll doesn't necessarily
mean that he doesn't provide good criticism, it's just that he presents it
in the most time consuming and destructive way possible. I am personally
interested in some of the criticism Kohs put forward, but I am against his
tactics.
We had a troll on ar.wp who was pretty similar in tactics, it took months
of
debate about freedom and censorship etc. and a few good editors actually
quitting before we banned him. And it took a few more months of
sock-puppeting for him to actually give up, and looking back at this
humongous waste of the time for all parties involved, I wonder if the
couple
of points he was making were even worth it, we do have people who are
capable of presenting criticism in a civil manner, so it's not about
'opinion'. I believe WP:POINT and WP:GAME should apply to any medium we are
trying to constructively work together.
--
Best Regards,
Muhammad Yahia
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