Gerard, the term "incubating wikis" is confusing for reasons I already
explained. Users with little experience are very unlikely to know about
so I see little potential for actual confusion.
We have been calling Wikis on incubator "test wikis" for ages (since BEFORE
incubator existed), I see no reason to ditch that straightforward, useful
term just to replace it with the confusing "incubating Wikis".
2011/8/13 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
There is nothing wrong with the term incubating; it indicates forcefully
that we want full projects in those languages. A test wiki is even more
ambiguous because we have things like test.wikis for new software.
Having a landing page with texts in languages that are likely to be
understood is a good thing. I will support that. When these pages are
supported in a similar way as is done for new translators on
, I would be really happy; the point is that you make
things easy and, the time spend by our community is our most valuable
Having projects go to the incubator is a good thing when there is an
incubating project. When there are technical issues like we have them for
languages like sign languages we can have specific information. We can have
specific information when projects have been denied in the past as well.
Particularly when they have been denied by the board; these exceptions are
the exceptions to the policy and deserve better information.
Let one thing be clear; having a project in the incubator for a longer time
is not a desired state. Making improvements to the visibility only serves
speed up the process towards a full project.
On 12 August 2011 02:08, Robin Pepermans <robinp.1273(a)gmail.com> wrote:
@Mark: although I do not like your tone in your original post, you
provide some good feedback (and started a thread with more feedback),
which is more than welcome.
2. Do you have a suggestion as an alternative for the term "incubating
wikis"? Is the more often used "test wiki" better?
5. I improved the Incubator:Wikis list so it is more intuitive, I
hope. As for the order, it is alphabetically.
@Fajro "The link from the test-wiki should direct to the proper recent
The links on Wx/xyz pages do, or are you referring to links somewhere
@Thomas: Info pages like
will be coming
soon, and the redirects will hopefully be implemented this year or
early next year. As far as I can see, this will allow interwiki links
from any project to an incubator test wiki, which is a very good thing
(will not work for languages unknown to Wikimedia, with current setup)
@Nathan: A kind of "language searcher" to more easily find test wikis,
is on my to-do list.
And I added one more thing to the to-do list: improving
and similar portals. Thanks for that idea.
In general, we are moving from the "request a new wiki (and oh, we
need to make some pages at Incubator)" way to "start your own wiki at
Incubator, and if it is big, we can request to move to an own
This way, we can put starting wikis back in the hands of volunteers
without needing to create separate (inactive) wikis for each of them.
I should communicate better about my work. Anyway, I plan to propose a
presentation at Wikimania next year about these things.
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