Re: [Foundation-l] roadmap for WM affiliation ; a name for self-identified affiliation

Wow. That was a long read. Some very interesting points, I hope you will forgive me if I ignore most. I do want to stress a few things. There is a difference between the Free Content Movement, the Group of People who Use Wiki's and the Wikimedia Movement. Within the Free Content Movement, which is indeed very old, Wikimedia is a leader. The Wikimedia movement is much more narrow. I would love to see some ideas to define the free content movement a bit better - I guess that is more or less what you were working to. I would not like us to confuse people even further by mixing up names (Wikipedia, Wikimedia, MediaWiki), so lets make that Wiki- and media-neutral. I think there are already works in that direction (I think something like Free Culture Defined), and it would probably make most sense to work in that direction - with them, dont re-invent the wheel. When it comes to Wiki's being used for good goals, I don't see Wiki's as special, sorry. Wiki's are a tool, not determining anything. I would be totally fine if Wikiversity would decide next month to start using Moodle instead of MediaWiki, and still be Wikimedia project. Maybe collaborative authoring is a shared thing, but not even that is something that is the same everywhere in Wikimedia, let alone in Free Culture/Content. I don't see much use for defining a movement along that criterium. Then finally, there is the very important question of how to stimulate innovation. I have been bothered by this as well the past few years, and I have as well been wondering why we are so extremely conservative. Why dont we like new and fresh ideas, why do we want to keep everything the same? Not only with software improvements, but also with new projects. Yes, I do agree here and I would love to see the incubator expand in a way - and also allow totally new content types to experiment. There is one disadvantage though: companies have developed around that already (like Wikia) and we don't currently have the infrastructure and support they can offer to new projects. We dont have the staff to help new communities form. Maybe we should, maybe we should leave it with those commercial parties. In any case the current way is bad for our movement in the long term. And I mean our movement in the narrow sense of the word. Best regards, Lodewijk Am 14. Juli 2011 19:06:47 UTC+2 schrieb Thomas Morton < morton.thomas(a)googlemail.com&gt;gt;: