While I agree that there is a necessity to link pages through Wikidata I'm with Risker such a message would itself become a barrier to the creation of content, we have enough of those already. We are forgetting that the people doing the edits do so as volunteers not paid employees, they do so for various intrinsic reasons the majority of our developments over time have been eroding those intrinsic reasons with greater complexities, rigid demands and wikilawyering of policies you cant force volunteers to do what you want the way you want when you want because ultimately they wont do anything and that is what we have been seeing over the last 5 years with editor decline.
It would be better to see skilled Wikidata people out in the communities training and talking personally to contributors building the skill sets but if such activity isnt your cup of tea then no matter how heavy handed you get its just not going to get done or people will just walk away form the whole .
On 30 October 2015 at 06:22, Magnus Manske magnusmanske@googlemail.com wrote:
I think it might just be a question of phrasing, actually.
"Check if your new topic already exists in other languages, and connect it to those! Or [click here] to start a new Wikidata item for your article, so other language editions of Wikipedia can find it more easily!"
For Wikipedians, the purpose of Wikidata is not "because Wikidata". It is added value to their own work; language links are an important part of this.
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:33 PM Leila Zia leila@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Risker,
On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Risker risker.wp@gmail.com wrote:
We do not expect anyone to add information to any other project when they create content on the project of their choice.
I'm thinking the Insert Media option in VE: there, we are giving the
editor
the option to upload Media to the article which in reality means
uploading
Media to Commons if I'm not missing something. The workflow is very
smooth,
and the Wikipedia editor does not need to know about Commons to follow
the
flow.
Leila
On 29 October 2015 at 16:08, Romaine Wiki romaine.wiki@gmail.com
wrote:
That is comparing it with wrong examples that are not relevant here. On Wikipedia we have the guideline that articles an categories should
be
added to Wikidata, that originates back to the phase that only manual interwikis existed.
And we have already received complaints why users do not get a
message
after they created a category/article to add it to Wikidata.
Further I propose this only for (logged in) users, and perhaps
further
settings are possible.
At the moment the largest workload is coming from articles that are
not
added to Wikidata. Some users produce five articles a day, all not
added
to
Wikidata, while the articles are fine. In two days we have about 100
new
articles on nl-wiki, all not added to Wikidata. This is just one
wiki,
and
a huge workload to get them added properly.
Romaine
2015-10-29 20:46 GMT+01:00 Risker risker.wp@gmail.com:
Whatever happened to "Wikipedia, the encyclopedia anyone can edit"?
This is adding a layer of complexity and expectation that I don't
really
feel comfortable with. We don't expect people to add images to
Commons
when they write an article. We don't expect people to include
definitions
in Wiktionary when they are using a word. We don't expect people
to
be
adding material to Wikisource or add quotes to Wikiquote. For that
matter,
we don't expect people to write Wikipedia articles about what they
review
on wikisource, or about images they add to Commons, or quotes they
add
to
Wikiquote. So why would we set up any kind of expectation that
people
would add "data" to Wikidata?
I also am concerned that people will add a new article that,
bluntly
put,
isn't going to last more than an hour...get these messages, and add
junk
data to Wikidata. Wikidatians are working hard to add referencing
and
improve what is there already, but it's a huge labour and we
shouldn't
be
adding to their mountain of work unnecessarily.
Risker/Anne
On 29 October 2015 at 14:37, Romaine Wiki romaine.wiki@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi all,
I think it is time for the next step in the Wikidata
development: a
better
integration in Wikipedia and her sisterprojects.
Every day thousands of articles are created, and many of those
are
not
added to Wikidata, even while often an item about this subject
exists.
Users forget to add a newly created article to Wikidata as there
is
no
stimulus at all. The next step in Wikidata development is that
after
the
creation of an article, users get a message (pop-up, or screen,
etc)
in
what they are asked to add the article/category to Wikidata. In
the
first
stage this can be just a pop-up with a message. But it would be
better
if
this can be a message + some help to do this, so that users can
stay
in
Wikipedia (or another project), without having to go to Wikidata.
A further step that can be developed after is the suggestion of
properties
(if missing), like instance of, and based on this entry further
properties.
This will make sure that there is a better integration of
Wikipedia
and
her
sister projects with Wikidata through this workflow.
For this I created a Phabricator task at: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T117070
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