Are those applications published anywhere? I'd be curious to see it. I'm
not really familiar with the grant process.
Todd
On Oct 16, 2017 12:47 PM, "Jean-Philippe Béland" <jpbeland(a)wikimedia.ca>
wrote:
My opinion is that such projects should be supported,
we should encourage
'be bold'. That being said, people planning projects at a large scale
should communicate with the concerned communities first. As such, the
concerns raised in this thread for example would have been raised during
the planning phase of that project and hopefully addressed. There is a
place in the application forms for grants for projects that asks to list
"Community Notification". The Grant Committee should look more closely at
that section and ensure that the communities have been notified before
granting any fund.
JP
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
wrote:
I understand from the original email that the
venue was chosen based on
the
fact that it was WMF-funded as a project. I am
guessing he's trying to
pull
that leverage.
The topic is more generic though: should we support projects that are
considered by some to be a little rough on the edges, or should we only
pick 'safe' projects that will land well with the community. And how much
of 'be bold' can be applied to projects that operate at a somewhat larger
scale.
While this particular topic seems enwp specific, its theme isn't.
Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland <
jpbeland(a)wikimedia.ca> wrote:
There is so many threads on this list that are
only about English
Wikipedia
> like it is the centre of the world... Why other communities are able to
> keep their internal discussions internal and not this community?
>
> Jean-Philippe Béland
> Vice President, Wikimedia Canada
>
> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Pax Ahimsa Gethen <
> list-wikimedia(a)funcrunch.org> wrote:
>
> > The people whose opinion should most matter in determining whether a
> > comment is sexist are women. Not men, and not non-binary
transmasculine
> > people like myself.
> >
> > I support and echo Emily and Molly's earlier comments on this thread:
> >
> >
> > Also, in case it's not clear from my forwarding of
Emily's/Keilana's
> >> message, I endorse it completely and am glad she made her points.
> >>
> >> I agree fully with Keegan and Sydney. I don't think the concerns
that
this
>> will be overtaken by bots are well-founded; that was planned for in
the
>> document outlining the competition, and
editors involved in this
project
> >> will be subject to all expectations of normal editors (including not
> >> mass-producing poor-quality content).
> >>
> >> As for Keegan's original post, there is a major difference between
> >> describing an email as sexist versus labeling the sender as a
sexist.
I
>> believe Keegan meant the former, and
I'm not sure anything he's said
can
> >> be
> >> described as an attack on the sender so much as a valid criticism of
> poor
> >> wording.
> >>
> >> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
> >>
> >> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:44 PM, GorillaWarfare
> <gorillawarfarewikipedia@
> >> gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through to
> this
> >> list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue
with
> her
> >> email address.
> >>
> >> "This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle
some
> >> stubs? And do you really, really think that people won't try to AFD
> >> everything that comes out of this contest as it is?
> >>
> >> I'm sick and tired of this idea that we have to hold shit about
women
> to a
> >> higher standard than literally anything else. The encyclopedia isn't
> going
> >> to break because, god forbid, some inexperienced newbies write a
bunch
of
> stubs.
>
> And so what if people think we're paying lip service to women? It's
better
> than being seen as being actively hostile to
women, which, as I
shouldn't
>> have to remind you, is our reputation as it currently stands."
>>
>> – Molly (GorillaWarfare)
>>
>
> - Pax aka Funcrunch
>
>
>
> On 10/16/17 10:11 AM, Todd Allen wrote:
>
>> Is that still going on?
>>
>> I'm against sexism and all for improving coverage of women on
Wikipedia.
>> I've helped to encourage events
toward that end, and they've turned
out
> >> pretty well. We now have quite a few more articles, for example, on
> women
> >> involved as pioneers in outdoor sports and activities because of
them.
> >>
> >> But I'm unsure how asking the question "Is it wise to offer money
in
> >> exchange for creating large numbers of articles without
consideration
of
>> quality?" or "Will this effort
have the intended result?" is sexist.
The
> >> same question would apply if the proposed articles were about
Russian
> >> literature or asteroids. It is not
sexist to ask the question just
> because
> >> of what the subject happens to be.
> >>
> >> I think that needs to be discussed, not sidetracked by calling
people
>>
sexists. If people really were making sexist statements, I'd be all
for
> >> shutting that crap down. But I've seen not one such statement in
this
> >> thread.
> >>
> >> Todd
> >>
> >> On Oct 16, 2017 10:28 AM, "Robert Fernandez" <
wikigamaliel(a)gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> So those who call out sexism are the real sexists, amirite?
> >>>
> >>> I am fed up with this double standard in the way we talk about
these
> >>> issues. Some people are
allowed to make broad, unsupported,
sweeping
> >>> generalizations about the
motives and actions of others and that's
> >>> considered just fine, but if you call them out in even the gentlest
> tones
> >>> it's treated as some horrific personal attack, and censure and
> apologies
> >>> are demanded. We've culturally internalized sexism so much that
even
> the
> >>> way we talk about sexism is sexist.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Vi to <vituzzu.wiki(a)gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> But just a note: using the same behavior of phenomena you're
trying
to
> >>>> contast is, per se, a clear defeat.
> >>>> To be more clear, blind -because you obviously don't know
*nothing*
>>>> about
>>>> their backgrounds- vilification of other's opinions is,
incidentally,
>>>> one
>>>> the of the main instruments of "cultural" sexism.
>>>>
>>>
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