Are those applications published anywhere? I'd be curious to see it. I'm not really familiar with the grant process.
Todd
On Oct 16, 2017 12:47 PM, "Jean-Philippe Béland" jpbeland@wikimedia.ca wrote:
My opinion is that such projects should be supported, we should encourage 'be bold'. That being said, people planning projects at a large scale should communicate with the concerned communities first. As such, the concerns raised in this thread for example would have been raised during the planning phase of that project and hopefully addressed. There is a place in the application forms for grants for projects that asks to list "Community Notification". The Grant Committee should look more closely at that section and ensure that the communities have been notified before granting any fund.
JP
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Lodewijk lodewijk@effeietsanders.org wrote:
I understand from the original email that the venue was chosen based on
the
fact that it was WMF-funded as a project. I am guessing he's trying to
pull
that leverage.
The topic is more generic though: should we support projects that are considered by some to be a little rough on the edges, or should we only pick 'safe' projects that will land well with the community. And how much of 'be bold' can be applied to projects that operate at a somewhat larger scale.
While this particular topic seems enwp specific, its theme isn't.
Lodewijk
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Jean-Philippe Béland < jpbeland@wikimedia.ca> wrote:
There is so many threads on this list that are only about English
Wikipedia
like it is the centre of the world... Why other communities are able to keep their internal discussions internal and not this community?
Jean-Philippe Béland Vice President, Wikimedia Canada
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:20 PM, Pax Ahimsa Gethen < list-wikimedia@funcrunch.org> wrote:
The people whose opinion should most matter in determining whether a comment is sexist are women. Not men, and not non-binary
transmasculine
people like myself.
I support and echo Emily and Molly's earlier comments on this thread:
Also, in case it's not clear from my forwarding of Emily's/Keilana's
message, I endorse it completely and am glad she made her points.
I agree fully with Keegan and Sydney. I don't think the concerns
that
this
will be overtaken by bots are well-founded; that was planned for in
the
document outlining the competition, and editors involved in this
project
will be subject to all expectations of normal editors (including not mass-producing poor-quality content).
As for Keegan's original post, there is a major difference between describing an email as sexist versus labeling the sender as a
sexist.
I
believe Keegan meant the former, and I'm not sure anything he's said
can
be described as an attack on the sender so much as a valid criticism of
poor
wording.
– Molly (GorillaWarfare)
On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 11:44 PM, GorillaWarfare
<gorillawarfarewikipedia@
gmail.com> wrote:
Emily (User:Keilana) is having some trouble getting mails through to
this
list, so I'm forwarding this on her behalf in case it's an issue
with
her
email address.
"This is some sexist bullshit. You really think we can't handle some stubs? And do you really, really think that people won't try to AFD everything that comes out of this contest as it is?
I'm sick and tired of this idea that we have to hold shit about
women
to a
higher standard than literally anything else. The encyclopedia isn't
going
to break because, god forbid, some inexperienced newbies write a
bunch
of
stubs.
And so what if people think we're paying lip service to women? It's
better
than being seen as being actively hostile to women, which, as I
shouldn't
have to remind you, is our reputation as it currently stands."
– Molly (GorillaWarfare)
- Pax aka Funcrunch
On 10/16/17 10:11 AM, Todd Allen wrote:
Is that still going on?
I'm against sexism and all for improving coverage of women on
Wikipedia.
I've helped to encourage events toward that end, and they've turned
out
pretty well. We now have quite a few more articles, for example, on
women
involved as pioneers in outdoor sports and activities because of
them.
But I'm unsure how asking the question "Is it wise to offer money in exchange for creating large numbers of articles without
consideration
of
quality?" or "Will this effort have the intended result?" is sexist.
The
same question would apply if the proposed articles were about
Russian
literature or asteroids. It is not sexist to ask the question just
because
of what the subject happens to be.
I think that needs to be discussed, not sidetracked by calling
people
sexists. If people really were making sexist statements, I'd be all
for
shutting that crap down. But I've seen not one such statement in
this
thread.
Todd
On Oct 16, 2017 10:28 AM, "Robert Fernandez" <
wikigamaliel@gmail.com>
wrote:
So those who call out sexism are the real sexists, amirite?
I am fed up with this double standard in the way we talk about
these
issues. Some people are allowed to make broad, unsupported,
sweeping
generalizations about the motives and actions of others and that's considered just fine, but if you call them out in even the gentlest
tones
it's treated as some horrific personal attack, and censure and
apologies
are demanded. We've culturally internalized sexism so much that
even
the
way we talk about sexism is sexist.
On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Vi to vituzzu.wiki@gmail.com
wrote:
> > But just a note: using the same behavior of phenomena you're
trying
to
> contast is, per se, a clear defeat. > To be more clear, blind -because you obviously don't know
*nothing*
> about > their backgrounds- vilification of other's opinions is,
incidentally,
> one > the of the main instruments of "cultural" sexism. >
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