I see. If I am reading it right I think that in that case I would never tried a direct
OTRS , mostly because I know how the system is designed and its possible rigid reaction.
IMHO it's not designed to minimize these points of stress but to encourage them. It
looks more like a play when some people are confortable with a certain role. I am not
interested in that play, so I try to skip it as much as possible.
I have noticed for example people like these discussions about notability on Wikidata, but
not the solution. In practice I see millions of items with acceptable IDs which will be
completed by images and these discussions are already old. Just to be clear... I hate
poorly created items, since I mostly teach who to manually improve them and even I
don't care so much, so why people from other projects should bother inventing
apocalyptic scenarios just makes me smile. They will stop when they will find something
else to complain. Still, I don't know you but to me It looks more of a social thing
than a fucntional one. There is really nothing more to discuss if you look into that, we
need bibliometric items for precise application within the scope of Wikidata, and they
require images.
I am not going to write the more time-consuming steps I would have used to prepare or
encourage or process that import, I simply would have assumed that the most direct way for
that situation was just pointless to try. There is always some issues with one file in a
batch or the phrasing of a sentence, there is always a confusion between notability
guidelines... there is always a person who would precisely do what will escalate the
situation. So, if the chance are more than 50% to go bad... why bother?
I prefer to find ways to make the longer road more time efficient and meaningful. Of
course if you don't go that way you are not presenting things in a nice clear single
passage so you cannot often take the spotlight... but I am not committed to that aspect,
so It's not an issue for me. I still meet a lot of very interesting people on the
way.
Still, you have my support to remove that rigidi interpretation of notability on OTRS. If
I can help to more people sapre time, I totally support it.
Alessadro
Il martedì 25 febbraio 2020, 18:21:18 CET, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> ha scritto:
Hoi,This is the chat (too long) at
Wikidata
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Images_for_Wikidata_-_%…
is the chat at
Commons
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#OTRS_&_Wiki…anks,
GerardM
On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 17:45, Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
<wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> wrote:
Can you provide some links?
I keep asking images for Wikidata items since years and I do not recall any issue at all.
I have the feeling that as long everything is formally correct (all categories prepared
and linked via wikidata infobox) nobody digs into that very much.
It's true however that I have a cynical approach. In general, I think that whoever
spends his/her time on this and not on deleting unused low resolution old images or
cropping files or improving categorization is probably more focused on chasing users than
actually cleaning up. As soon as you assume that this is the core source of the behavior,
you can teach newbies quite well how to avoid it. It's not "good faith"
but... it kinda works.
Alessandro
Il martedì 25 febbraio 2020, 17:11:44 CET, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> ha scritto:
Hoi,
Apparantly at Commons they have standardised themselves to only support
Wikipedia.
At Wikidata we have people who are notable according to our standards. We
are actively asking them for images to illustrate our information. The best
suggestion we get is: do not ask for images because they are deleted at
Commons.
When this is what awaits us when we standardise on one label Wikipedia, it
is obvious that this is the worst scenario for the "other" projects. The
projects who operate to different standards who have notability criteria
different from English Wikipedia.
Thanks,
GerardM
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