I see. If I am reading it right I think that in that case I would never tried a direct OTRS , mostly because I know how the system is designed and its possible rigid reaction. IMHO it's not designed to minimize these points of stress but to encourage them. It looks more like a play when some people are confortable with a certain role. I am not interested in that play, so I try to skip it as much as possible. I have noticed for example people like these discussions about notability on Wikidata, but not the solution. In practice I see millions of items with acceptable IDs which will be completed by images and these discussions are already old. Just to be clear... I hate poorly created items, since I mostly teach who to manually improve them and even I don't care so much, so why people from other projects should bother inventing apocalyptic scenarios just makes me smile. They will stop when they will find something else to complain. Still, I don't know you but to me It looks more of a social thing than a fucntional one. There is really nothing more to discuss if you look into that, we need bibliometric items for precise application within the scope of Wikidata, and they require images. I am not going to write the more time-consuming steps I would have used to prepare or encourage or process that import, I simply would have assumed that the most direct way for that situation was just pointless to try. There is always some issues with one file in a batch or the phrasing of a sentence, there is always a confusion between notability guidelines... there is always a person who would precisely do what will escalate the situation. So, if the chance are more than 50% to go bad... why bother?
I prefer to find ways to make the longer road more time efficient and meaningful. Of course if you don't go that way you are not presenting things in a nice clear single passage so you cannot often take the spotlight... but I am not committed to that aspect, so It's not an issue for me. I still meet a lot of very interesting people on the way. Still, you have my support to remove that rigidi interpretation of notability on OTRS. If I can help to more people sapre time, I totally support it.
Alessadro
Il martedì 25 febbraio 2020, 18:21:18 CET, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com ha scritto:
Hoi,This is the chat (too long) at Wikidata https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Images_for_Wikidata_-_%2... is the chat at Commons https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#OTRS_&_Wikid... GerardM On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 17:45, Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org wrote:
Can you provide some links? I keep asking images for Wikidata items since years and I do not recall any issue at all. I have the feeling that as long everything is formally correct (all categories prepared and linked via wikidata infobox) nobody digs into that very much. It's true however that I have a cynical approach. In general, I think that whoever spends his/her time on this and not on deleting unused low resolution old images or cropping files or improving categorization is probably more focused on chasing users than actually cleaning up. As soon as you assume that this is the core source of the behavior, you can teach newbies quite well how to avoid it. It's not "good faith" but... it kinda works. Alessandro
Il martedì 25 febbraio 2020, 17:11:44 CET, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com ha scritto:
Hoi, Apparantly at Commons they have standardised themselves to only support Wikipedia.
At Wikidata we have people who are notable according to our standards. We are actively asking them for images to illustrate our information. The best suggestion we get is: do not ask for images because they are deleted at Commons.
When this is what awaits us when we standardise on one label Wikipedia, it is obvious that this is the worst scenario for the "other" projects. The projects who operate to different standards who have notability criteria different from English Wikipedia. Thanks, GerardM _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe