George,
There are five things that I claimed the Foundation has and the volunteers
do not: responsibility to support the community, and the time, the
expertise, the money and the people to do so. So that's ten assertions.
You claim that some of those are unwarranted. There are over a thousand
possible interpretations of your claim. In the interests of a productive
discussion, would you like to be more precise about which assertions you
think might be incorrect, please?
Thrapostibongles
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 10:22 AM George Herbert <george.herbert(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I think that you are making a number of assertions
about the community,
individuals, the Foundation, and the power and roles and responsibilities
that aren't warranted.
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 2:15 AM Mister Thrapostibongles <
thrapostibongles(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Frankly, I'm surprised by how surprised
everyone is. The Foundation has
the responsibility to support the community, and the time, the expertise,
the money and the people to do so. Individual volunteers, however
well-meaning, do not. The Foundation has determined that in this
particular case the community;s own processes were unable to provide the
support that the community needed, and so the Foundation has acted to do
so, as you would expect.
Thrapostibongles
On Tue, Jun 11, 2019 at 4:26 AM Techman224 <techman224(a)techman224.ca>
wrote:
> Forwarding to WIkimedia-l since WikiEN-l is relatively dead.
>
> Since this message, an Arbcom member (SilkTork) stated that they
weren't
> consulted, nor did this action was the
result of Arbcom forwarding a
> concern to the office. [1]
>
> The only non-response excuse from the WMF [2] was that "local
communities
consistently struggle to uphold not just their own autonomous rules but
the
> Terms of Use, too.” even though there were no complaints on-wiki nor to
> Arbcom privately.
>
> The on-wiki discussion is taking place at the Bureaucrats and the
Arbcom
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#User:Fra…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats'_noticeboard#User:F…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Committee/Noticebo…
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Commi…
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration_Commi…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#Statemen…
>
> Techman224
>
> > Begin forwarded message:
> >
> > From: George Herbert <george.herbert(a)gmail.com>
> > Subject: [WikiEN-l] Fram en.wp office yearlock block
> > Date: June 10, 2019 at 8:54:34 PM CDT
> > To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> > Reply-To: English Wikipedia <wikien-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
> >
> > In case you're not following on-wiki - Office S&T blocked English
> Wikipedia
> > user / administrator Fram for a year and desysopped, for unspecified
> > reasons in the Office purview. There was a brief statement here from
> > Office regarding it which gave no details other than that normal
policy
and
procedures for Office actions were followed,
which under normal
circumstances preclude public comments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bureaucrats%27_noticeboard#User:Fra…
>
> Several people on Arbcom and board have commented they're making
private
> > inquiries under normal reporting and communication channels, due to
the
> > oddity and essentially uniqueness of
the action.
> >
> > There was an initial surge of dismay which has mellowed IMHO into
"Ok,
>
responsible people following up".
>
> I understand the sensitivity of some of the topics under Office
actions,
> > having done OTRS and other various had-to-stay-private stuff myself
at
> > times in the past. A high profile
investigation target is most
unusual
but
not unheard of.
I did send email to Fram earlier today asking if they had any public
comment, no reply as yet.
--
-george william herbert
george.herbert(a)gmail.com
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