I've no idea what you mean by " second iteration". I was told by Work Group
members that those are the recommendations that were used as starting
points for the discussions by the Work Groups at Tunis last weekend.
Therefore, all that is most probably outdated stuff by now (it was already
outdated by the time it was posted).
I really don't know what happens to the discussions going on there, but I
don't believe they will be taken into account, since by now those
recommendations have already advanced to somewhere else.
Best,
Paulo
Mario Gómez <mariogomwiki(a)gmail.com> escreveu no dia quarta, 25/09/2019
à(s) 08:45:
The recommendations from the second iteration are
available now:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recomme…
Looking at the formatting with discussion links and so on, I assume
community feedback is still welcome. It would be good to announce this in
wikimedia-l, meta main page, etc.
Best,
MarioGom
On Wed, Aug 14, 2019 at 3:48 PM Ziko van Dijk <zvandijk(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hello,
Recently, the "draft recommendations" of the strategy working groups have
been published. As Nicole informed us, they are "key tools" for the
future
of the movement. These documents are the result
of one year of work of
the
working groups.
If I am not mistaken, the Wikimedia volunteers now have one month to give
feedback. In October, the process of refining and finalizing has to be
ready, and in November, the movement will have to start with implementing
the recommendations.
Having seen now more of the documents, my conclusion can only be one: the
documents are simply not ready for this stage of the process. They are
much
more unready than they should be for being put to
the eyes of the
Wikimeda
volunteers.
There are documents in which there is only one question answered, by one
sentence. Other documents don't show that any research has been used to
back the statements. Many obvious arguments and links are missing. At
least
at one occasion I read as an answer to an
important question: "todo".
The proposals often give the impression that they are not thought
through.
There should be quotas for admins, but we see
nowhere an explanation how
that would relate to the right to remain anonymous. There is the
statement
that minorities sometimes can only express
themselves with ND and NC
content, but the two links in the document hardly back that claim. After
years in which the Wikimedia organizations and other free and open
content
organizations taught us that NC is problematic,
now such a drastic
change?
And there is this already infamous sentence: Instead of being informed
about the possible negative impacts of NC and ND, we only read: "All
change
has negative connotations to some members of the
community."
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Working…
I find it stunning that there was nobody who went through the documents
before publication and said: we cannot publish this sentence, it is
giving
a very bad impression about our attitude towards
the community (= the
very
same people we are asking to invest their time
for giving feedback).
This does not mean that all documents or all sections and recommendations
are unusable or damaging. I also cannot judge about the efforts invested,
as I have no insight in the inner workings. But it is very frustrating
for
me to read the documents and often have to guess
what they actually mean.
And it seems to me, given the comments on the user pages on Meta Wiki, on
this list, on de:WP:Kurier and on Facebook, that I am not the only one
who
feels this frustration.
Therefore, I ask the people responsible: please reconsider the timeline.
If
these documents are the result of one year work,
then the documents will
not be ready within two and a half months. Consider several months for
the
working groups to use the present feedback for a
redraft, and then give
the
Wikimedia volunteers at least the same amount of
time for giving feedback
again.
Kind regards
Ziko
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