Indeed Denny, making those changes is very difficult, and we are
facing a number of these challenges.
You know what? Given the importance of a good user interface (and
other things), I could even imagine that the WMFbuilds up a new
Wikipedia site and watches where the majority of people want to
contribute. If that would result in a permanent fork, between a modern
user interface Wikipedia and the one we have now... well, depending on
some factors, I might find it worth the progress.
Kind regards
Ziko
2012/8/17 Denny Vrandečić <denny.vrandecic(a)wikimedia.de>de>:
<rant>
If WMF had a Steve Jobs on staff, everyone would hate him for making
decisions without properly consulting the community, for destroying
the community, for reinventing Wikimedia again, for making unpopular
decisions, for making decisions behind close doors, for being an
egomaniac, etc.
Heck, we cannot even get the branding right. We call our project
Wikimedia Commons, Wikipedia, Wiktionary, Wikinews... we have a
software called MediaWiki, and the whole movement is called the
Wikimedia Movement. No surprise people think Wikileaks is one of ours.
No surprise people cannot get these words right. There have been
several suggestions for improving the branding, but every time met
with strong resistance.
I think Athena is a much more though-out design step for Wikipedia,
and I am very much looking forward to it to happen. But as long as
there is considerable backlash for something like a move from Monobook
to Vector -- which, it seems, is not even regarded as a design update
by most critics here -- I am wary about the social costs involved in
such an update.
</rant>
Yes, it would be nice if it was easier to change Wikipedia.
Cheers,
Denny
2012/8/17 Nathan <nawrich(a)gmail.com>om>:
Never having been to design school like Amir, I
can't comment on what grade
it might get. But I do like it a lot; I think it's a serious improvement
over what we use now, and incorporates design principles that we should
adopt even if we don't take the design itself. The visual elements, the
better branding and identification of sister projects, and the modern feel
/ look are all elements that can be adapted.
I'd love to see more of these complete redesign proposals with a
professional feel. The current "2012 main page redesign" proposals are
almost uniformly amateurish, and many make only the most minimal
adjustments. More importantly, they are aimed only at the main page - what
needs to be updated is really the entire thing. 10 years on and the editing
interface is still shit, and the design is still aimed at satisfying lowest
common denominator concerns. Time for a new approach, if only Wikimedia had
a Steve Jobs on staff.
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