Saying the sole role of the WMF is facilitation is a way to avoid
responsibility, and I disagree.
Whether the majority of the jury is made up of board members
is beside the point. /If/ something happens out of line (this is
a hypothetical), then people would expect the WMF to answer
for it. If anyone thinks the media would buy the line: "Oh, we
aren't really responsible, we just let them use the brand," they
are wildly mistaken.
It is the official conference of Wikimedia, planned and executed
with the full blessing and cooperation of the Foundation, so at
least some level of responsibility is expected.
The IOC would have to answer if it chose a poor host city and
things went horrifically wrong.
-Chad
On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 9:07 AM, Florence Devouard <Anthere9(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Mike Godwin wrote:
Greg Maxwell writes:
In the message I responded to you stated that
the collection of
emergency contact information would present considerable privacy
concerns. Here you seem to be suggesting that the foundation would
instead prefer to pass off the collection to a volunteer driven
project. This seems like a completely inconsistent position, but
perhaps I just do not understand.
I guess I'm both callous and inconsistent. Next thing you know I'll be
downright evil. (That's where you going, isn't it? Just admit it.)
It should be noted that the concerns that have been raised to me, both
publicly and privately, are themselves inconsistent. Some people are
concerned about their privacy. Some are concerned about security. Some
are concerned about both privacy and security. Some are concerned
about neither. Some are concerned about wholly separate matters. Some
feel that they can't post publicly to this list without themselves
being criticized.
So don't be surprised if you hear from me representations of
inconsistent concerns. This is not exactly a consistent crowd. (News
flash!)
I'm at a bit of a loss as to what means could
possibly be more
efficient and effective than simply adding a single additional field
to the official Wikimania registration form. Could you please
elaborate?
I can elaborate by saying that I think you have spent more time
responding to me than it might have taken you to come up with a
solution that addresses the concerns you state here. This strikes me
as callous.
Is there a registration form somewhere that the Foundation has access
to, Greg, that you don't? I don't know of one. Have you considered
making your concerns known to those who are actually organizing the
conference, such as Delphine and the local team? (The Foundation is
only paying for it.)
I... no... I totally disagree here. The Foundation is not ONLY paying
for it.
Actually, it is really hardly *paying*, because the past three
Wikimanias have been a zero sum cost, or even made a tiny benefit (used
for following Wikimanias).
The costs of Wikimania are supported by sponsors, participants,
sometimes chapters, and lots' of good will (free work by wikipedians or
by local organizations).
The major real costs for the Foundation are to pay for the participation
of board members/staff members.
The Foundation is simply NOT paying for the conference. It is helping
money to come in, and helping the money to come out.
However, paying is not really the issue.
It is probably boosting to say that Wikimedia Foundation is organizing
Wikimania. This is not really true, most events have been organized by
the Wikimania teams.
What Wikimedia Foundation is really doing is facilitation.
It facilitates in providing the right to use the brand.
It facilitates in providing access to a bank account and means to pay.
It facilitates in "lending" staff or contractors (be it Delphine to help
coordinate, or Jay to help with Press and communication, or Mike for the
security assessment etc....)
It facilitates in providing reassurance to sponsors
etc...
Facilitation is an important role. Probably essential. The Conference of
the America was cancelled precisely because the Foundation could not
(would not) play this role of facilitator.
I would also largely say that facilitating should be the ONLY role of
the Foundation.
Ant
Some of the earliest concerns about safety were
raised after the
safety advice provided by the local team were found to be in direct
contradiction with advice provided by professional travel agents (in,
particular with respect to advisable dress for women).
I don't know what you are attempting to refer to here. (The issue of
"advisable dress for women" is also addressed in the INTERNATIONAL
STUDENTS GUIDE -- see below.)
It was the
belief of some, myself included, that although the local team has the
greatest access to information they may, understandably, not be the
most objective parties available to assess the risks and mitigations
specific to their region and its local cultures.
I love the passive voice.
I have twice forwarded to the list a link to resources for foreign
students attending the American University in Cairo. It addresses
many and perhaps most of the concerns raised by those who worry about
the local team's advice. Did you bother to read it? It's still here:
<http://www.aucegypt.edu/StudentLife/StudentServices/isso/Pages/InternationalStudentHandbook.aspx
With that in mind I hope you can understand why
some people are
dissatisfied that the foundation's response to concerns about safety
is to restate that those issues have been delegated to the local team.
That is not at all what I said. If you are going to attempt to
paraphrase me, please don't just make stuff up. I neither stated nor
restated that safety issues "have been delegated to the local team."
Given the large volume of mail that has already
been exchanged on this
subject I do not expect that a uniformly agreeable fully solution will
be found.
Thank you for your efforts in forging agreement. I feel much more
agreeable now.
I look forward to further interrogation. Uh, I mean, constructive
suggestions.
--Mike
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