Dear all,
I think we are mixing two different topics here, which are two different problems we
should solve:
We have series of problems regarding video upload, some of them technical (codecs,
uploading process...) and other social (how to know if the video is freely licensed, etc).
Both are interesting issues, and we should have a plan to solve them. Still, there are
videos uploaded and used in Wikipedia. Technically, it is even possible to make a video
portal, take a look to:
https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari:Hezkuntza/Ikusgela<https://eu.wikipe…la>.
But videos are not, by definition, more interactive than audios, images or text. Videos
are still passive content: you play them in the same way you could hear an audio sample or
just read a text.
When I talk about interactive content, I'm talking about content that can be
manipulated by the reader:
* Take a look to OurWorldInData climate change graphs and charts
(
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/climate-change). These are freely licensed, we could
have them in articles, but we can't because there are road blocks for this to happen
(
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T303853).
* Take a look to brilliant and how to learn geometry there :
https://brilliant.org/courses/geometry-fundamentals/?from_topic=geometry<…ry>.
You can just learn geometry manipulating objects, learning directly how changing a
parameter changes the result.
* Now take a look to this material by
NASA:https://moon.nasa.gov/moon-in-motion/phases-eclipses-supermoons/moon-p…. You can
explore the moon phase with a slider, but for us this is completely impossible (there are
more interactive features here:
https://moon.nasa.gov/interactives/).
* Now take a look to this 3D interactive models:
https://sketchfab.com/juanbrualla<https://sketchfab.com/juanbrualla>la>. There are many
more, and some of them are directly under cc-by license, but we can't use them because
we can't render 3D objects with textures (
https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T246901).
* Do you want to learn about equations? Wikipedia is not the best starting point, as
math articles are normally complex. But we could have this:
https://www.desmos.com/calculator. No, is not going to happen because we are going in the
opposite direction. There are more great examples of graphic calculators in
https://www.desmos.com/ or
https://www.geogebra.org/. Now we have some GeoGebra created
videos in Commons, even if there are some users who have tried to delete
them:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:GeoGebra. Is to say, instead of adding a
graphic calculator, we add the video of someone using it, losing all the interactivity of
the learning process.
* This is a vertical video in the project
Ikusgela:https://eu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitxategi:Ikusgela-Tupustarriak.webm. It has
subtitles, but we can't add more information than that, even if we have the script
with links, because adding links to subtitles is not allowed. Now imagine you can annotate
this audio by JFK to add context and links to what he is saying:
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Jfk_berlin_address_high.ogg<http…gg>.
* Now, this is the timeline of symphonies by Beethoven, with audio, from Wikidata:
https://w.wiki/8$jk. The good news is that we can see it. The bad news is that we
can't embed it in any article. Which is extremely weird, because both are our
projects.
So, we have two different problems. Video playing is quite evident. But lack of
interactivity will add to the cost, because there are other platforms doing it way
better.
I would really like to have an answer by the WMF.
Thanks
Galder
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From: Ivan Martínez <galaver(a)gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2024 8:25 AM
To: Wikimedia Mailing List <wikimedia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Re: We need more interactive content: we are doing it wrong
It is not difficult to do something that is already happening. By referring to
encyclopedic videos I am talking about multimedia that can enrich existing content. I
understand your point, it's a bit like what happened with the project of reading
recorded Wikipedia articles that after years seem obsolete.
What I am referring to is all that multimedia material that is visual, that can be made
into video to complement articles. The process you mention is complicated, but not
impossible, in fact, there are many of us editors who have all those skills already
implemented in the projects.
El vie, 26 ene 2024 a las 12:06, geni
(<geniice@gmail.com<mailto:geniice@gmail.com>>) escribió:
On Tue, 23 Jan 2024 at 22:24, Ivan Martínez
<galaver@gmail.com<mailto:galaver@gmail.com>> wrote:
By not having a Youtube 2.0 we are avoiding a
Wikipedia 2.0 with pure encyclopaedic videos. I see a false dilemma there.
Creating good encyclopaedic videos is from a video production point of
view a far harder problem that dealing with the technical hurdles in
uploading video to commons. Going to take a lot of effort in
scripting, shooting, lighting and editing. And having your editor of
choice render the final project in a wikipedia friendly format should
not present a problem (and if it does handbrake exists).
I really doubt we will ever get much in the way of encyclopaedic
videos on our platforms since they take so much time and cost so much
to make that they are only viable at scale from people who can do it
at as a full time job. Youtubers find ways to do that through adsense,
sponsor spots and Patreon. Not really something you can do on
wikipedia.
--
geni
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