What are the steps now?
It is clear to me and others that this strategy initiative could not reach
new faces, especially those more engaged with editing. Or they were
reached, but not selected for some reason.
In case it is desired, whoever is in charge of this process should start
thinking on ways of reaching them or invite others to think with and find
a solution.
In case it is not desired, it should be clarified to broad community.
I see very good names on the groups and I don’t mean to discredit the work,
good faith, and the value of the whole process, but I just don’t think it
is the right path when editorial community is set aside intentionally or
not.
Best regards.
Teles
Em sáb, 28 de jul de 2018 às 18:11, Gerard Meijssen <
gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com> escreveu:
Hoi,
I have. I have heard a very senior person in the WMF state that English is
the only relevant language..
PS We did not agree on that one ..
Thanks,
GerardM
On 27 July 2018 at 13:35, Paulo Santos Perneta <paulosperneta(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hello Jane,
I think that we are in fact split down the middle into parties that
believe
"some languages are better than others"
and "let's save all existing
languages on the planet, including all of their fonts ever used on- and
offline".
I don't know why do you wrote this, as I never had this impression, at
all. We are split by languages since the Babel Tower was embargoed by
God,
but I never, ever remember hearing someone saying
or even hinting that
"some languages are better than others".
All the best,
Paulo
2018-07-25 8:28 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>om>:
Hmm. Yes and no. Yes the May 2017 conference
suffered from some
interesting
selection bias, but no the people there were not
all brainwashed into
forgetting their "wildness". We are all still wild wild Wikipedians at
heart, speaking for the 2006 cohort in its entirety. I really doubt
whether
> the WMF is trying to shove us all in a direction of their choosing.
>
> I think
> that we are in fact split down the middle into parties that believe
"some
> languages are better than others" and
"let's save all existing
languages
on
> the planet, including all of their fonts ever used on- and offline".
Then
there is
a huge discrepancy in workflow for these people and the folks
who
> work in just one language and never think of language as a movement
topic
at all.
Among this monolingual crowd (many of whom do not subscribe to
any
> mailing list or other communication outlets) are the overlapping groups
> between the "field workers" and the "library workers". The field
workers
tend to
operate more by a "drive-by" methodology, and the "library
workers"
tend to operate more by a
"step-by-step" methodology. I respectfully
submit
> that we have all dabbled in all of these worlds and therefore we all
have
enough
common sense to shout "Whoa!" if something really really wrong
gets
proposed. But in the past I have felt quite
strongly that something was
really really wrong, but it turned out it was just a factor of me being
unaware of workflow difficulties experienced by others. So e.g.
personally
I was against the idea of "protected
pages" but have come around to
seeing
> they are useful - even on Wikidata.
>
> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:12 PM, Anders Wennersten <
> mail(a)anderswennersten.se> wrote:
>
> > As I see it the strategy process is run for the functionaries in the
> > movement and by them. People with focus on contributing to the
projects
> are
> > not involved, when volunteers is mentioned it is mostly people
running
> > worskhops for beginners etc, a kind of
semi functionaries, not the
hard
> core
contributes.
>
> This could be a good thing and foster a new set of moment leaders,
fully
in
agreement with goals and strategy. It could also be seen as a
weakness,
> as we do not recognize the more "wild" (but creative)y culture in our
> communities and only have the "nice" and obedient culture being
accepted.
> >
> > Facts
> >
> > The vision was really created in Wikiconf 2017 by functionaries
> >
> > The way forward was defined by Wikiconf 2017 by functionaries
> >
> > The set up of work groups was from the beginning set up to include
> (only)
> > functionaries (time requirement, and first it was also talked of
> candidates
> > should be endorsed by local chapters). And the actual selection was
not
done transparent as is the culture of the communities
but by "boss"
selection (I only feel the movement is starting to resemble a big
company,
> not the vibrant communities)
>
> Anders
>
>
>
> Den 2018-07-24 kl. 21:29, skrev Yaroslav Blanter:
>
>> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:16 PM, David Cuenca Tudela <
dacuetu(a)gmail.com
>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I do not know what really happened but if I listen to what has been
said
> >> here and earlier on similar occasions, my conclusion is that for the
> >> Strategy Team we - volunteers who are working on the projects but
are
not
>> associated with the chapters, do not show up at Wikimania, do not
attend
>> real-life tutorials organized by WMF -
just do not exist.
>>
>> If this is the case, this is a serious gap to be bridged. So far I
have
>> net
>> see even an acknowledgement of its existence.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Yaroslav
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