And perhaps with a further focus on specific African countries that speak
Portuguese?
Scott_WUaS
On 5:46AM, Tue, Jul 31, 2018 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hoi,
How about Portuguese from Africa?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 27 July 2018 at 16:41, Paulo Santos Perneta <paulosperneta(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Hello Jane,
Yes, maybe I have been lucky for having to deal with a Wikipedia that,
despite having its fair share of problems, actually has not that kind of
strife. We have 2 major linguistic varieties there (different to the
point
that stuff in European Portuguese is often
subtitled in Brazil), and I
can't remember the last time we had any problem related to that. We used
to
have some episodic problems, but since we passed
a rule around 2011
declaring that articles directly related to a geographic region should
use
the variety spoken in that geographic region, it
ceased to be a problem.
Language/variety diversity is often seen there as a source of richness
and
knowledge, and not as some kind of downside that
people have to endure in
order to participate.
Some people of wiki.pt are also very active at the Mirandese and
Galician
wikis, projects with which we often engage in
close collaboration.
I'm also quite active at Commons, where we use mostly English, but a bit
of
everything as well (many categories are written
using 2 different
languages, for instance, and we often communicate in our native languages
over there, often in the same thread).
I wouldn't doubt that there are some people that despise languages
different from the one they speak, but I don't believe it's anywhere
"split
down the middle". At least that is not my
experience, at all.
All the best,
Paulo
2018-07-27 14:57 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>om>:
> Well just speaking from my experience with the nlwiki community, there
is
> often a tendency to e.g. delete Belgian
versions of local folklore or
> cuisine, or merge these into Dutch local folklore or cuisine articles.
I
> think in general, you could say that most
mono-lingualists are fairly
> certain their country and by association, their language is the best,
and
> any other speakers of their language should
either conform or start
their
> own wiki, never mind local grammar rules,
etc. I am surprised you
haven't
> come across this at all - consider yourself
lucky!
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 1:35 PM, Paulo Santos Perneta <
> paulosperneta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello Jane,
> >
> > >
> >
> > I think that we are in fact
> split down the middle into parties that believe
> > "some languages are better than others" and "let's save all
existing
> > languages on the planet, including all of their fonts ever used on-
and
> > offline".
> >
> > I don't know why do you wrote this, as I never had this impression,
at
> > all. We are split by languages since
the Babel Tower was embargoed by
> God,
> > but I never, ever remember hearing someone saying or even hinting
that
> > "some languages are better than
others".
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> > Paulo
> >
> >
> > 2018-07-25 8:28 GMT+01:00 Jane Darnell <jane023(a)gmail.com>om>:
> >
> > > Hmm. Yes and no. Yes the May 2017 conference suffered from some
> > interesting
> > > selection bias, but no the people there were not all brainwashed
into
> >
forgetting their "wildness". We are all still wild wild Wikipedians
at
> > > heart, speaking for the 2006 cohort in its entirety. I really doubt
> > whether
> > > the WMF is trying to shove us all in a direction of their choosing.
> > >
> > > I think
> > > that we are in fact split down the middle into parties that believe
> "some
> > > languages are better than others" and "let's save all
existing
> languages
> > on
> > > the planet, including all of their fonts ever used on- and
offline".
Then
> > there is a huge discrepancy in workflow for these people and the
folks
who
> work in just one language and never think of language as a movement
topic
> > at all. Among this monolingual crowd (many of whom do not subscribe
to
> any
> > mailing list or other communication outlets) are the overlapping
groups
> > > between the "field workers" and the "library workers".
The field
> workers
> > > tend to operate more by a "drive-by" methodology, and the
"library
> > workers"
> > > tend to operate more by a "step-by-step" methodology. I
respectfully
> > submit
> > > that we have all dabbled in all of these worlds and therefore we
all
> have
> > > enough common sense to shout "Whoa!" if something really really
wrong
>
gets
> > proposed. But in the past I have felt quite strongly that something
was
> > really really wrong, but it turned out
it was just a factor of me
being
> > unaware of workflow difficulties
experienced by others. So e.g.
> personally
> > I was against the idea of "protected pages" but have come around to
> seeing
> > they are useful - even on Wikidata.
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 10:12 PM, Anders Wennersten <
> > mail(a)anderswennersten.se> wrote:
> >
> > > As I see it the strategy process is run for the functionaries in
the
> > > > movement and by them. People with focus on contributing to the
> projects
> > > are
> > > > not involved, when volunteers is mentioned it is mostly people
> running
> > > > worskhops for beginners etc, a kind of semi functionaries, not
the
> hard
> > > > core contributes.
> > > >
> > > > This could be a good thing and foster a new set of moment
leaders,
>
fully
> > > in agreement with goals and strategy. It could also be seen as a
> > weakness,
> > > as we do not recognize the more "wild" (but creative)y culture
in
our
> > > > communities and only have the "nice" and obedient culture
being
> > accepted.
> > > >
> > > > Facts
> > > >
> > > > The vision was really created in Wikiconf 2017 by functionaries
> > > >
> > > > The way forward was defined by Wikiconf 2017 by functionaries
> > > >
> > > > The set up of work groups was from the beginning set up to
include
> > > (only)
> > > > functionaries (time requirement, and first it was also talked of
> > > candidates
> > > > should be endorsed by local chapters). And the actual selection
was
> not
> > > > done transparent as is the culture of the communities but by
"boss"
> >
> selection (I only feel the movement is starting to resemble a big
> > company,
> > > not the vibrant communities)
> > >
> > > Anders
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Den 2018-07-24 kl. 21:29, skrev Yaroslav Blanter:
> > >
> > >> On Tue, Jul 24, 2018 at 9:16 PM, David Cuenca Tudela <
> dacuetu(a)gmail.com
> > >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> I do not know what really happened but if I listen to what has
been
> said
> > >> here and earlier on similar occasions, my conclusion is that for
the
> > > >> Strategy Team we - volunteers who are working on the projects
but
> are
> > > not
> > > >> associated with the chapters, do not show up at Wikimania, do
not
> > attend
> > > >> real-life tutorials organized by WMF - just do not exist.
> > > >>
> > > >> If this is the case, this is a serious gap to be bridged. So
far I
have
> >> net
> >> see even an acknowledgement of its existence.
> >>
> >> Cheers
> >> Yaroslav
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