I am wanting to protect Wikipedians from being impersonated. I am also
wanting to protect those on Upworks and other sites from hiring people who
are community banned or editing in breach of policy but pretending they are
legit. This proposal will help with both of those.
That people sometimes struggle to get help on Wikipedia, while unfortunate,
is not the problem this proposal is working to address.
If you are using Upworks etc for offering services other than the editing
of Wikipedia for pay this proposal does not affect you in anyway. If you
are a disclosed paid editor, you already per the terms of use are required
to state the intermediaries you are working through and thus you should
already be doing this.
This proposal will actually help people find "white hat" paid editors who
properly disclose.
James
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 6:48 PM, John Erling Blad <jeblad(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Okey, I may have (or perhaps not) edited a page.
Perhaps I have an account
on Upwork (or perhaps not). That page may have been edited because I had a
discussion with someone at Upwork (or perhaps not). I could also been
discussing editing the page at OTRS, but again, perhaps not.
How can you know that? Because I am "jeblad"? What if I am "honky
donky" on
Wikipedia? Do you really believe that because someone said people doing
paid editing should say so actually do so?
From point b on your RfC "but yet there is no account on Wikipedia that
discloses that account", how do you plan on figuring out which account on
those two systems are the same? To identify the culprit you must connect
two dots, and you don't have enough information about neither of them.
I am on Upwork because a big and rather well-known organization asked me to
create an account. I have even edited pages! Yay! Go figure which one, and
why! ;p (To make it easy, their initials reads W-M-F, and no it was not
about Wikipedia-editing.)
I see all the postings from people that ask for help about their wikipedia
pages. People ask for help because the failure of the wikipedia-communities
to provide sufficient help. Going after the people that help them is not a
good solution, it is (sorry) a stupid solution. If someone ask for help,
then help them!
On Thu, Sep 14, 2017 at 2:22 AM, James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Why? IMO it will protect users from being
impersonated.
It will allow us to more easily have taken down Fivver and Upworks
accounts
that are pretending to be established
Wikipedians.
How would this leak anything? People involve with paid editor are already
required to disclose the intermediaries through which they work and this
does not change that.
James
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 6:19 PM, John Erling Blad <jeblad(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Sorry, bad idea. Can't be done and will only lead to stalking and
> alienating users. (Or rather it can be done, but would imply leakage of
> identifiable information to such a degree that it would put the
involved
> organizations on the front pages for
weeks.)
>
> John Erling Blad
> /jeblad
>
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 5:40 PM, James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> > Have started a meta RfC regarding the above* here
> > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/
> > interlinking_of_accounts_involved_with_paid_editing_to_
> > decrease_impersonation>.*
> >
> > This is to help address issues of impersonation of established
> Wikipedians
> > by paid editors.
> >
> > Further thoughts appreciated. Best
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