Yes.
Btw, if we had a deadline, what should we do when a project reaches the
deadline? The most logical is deleting it. The problem with that, however,
is that nobody would contribute to a test project knowing that it will be
deleted when it reaches the deadline. If there is interest again, it would
then have to be undeleted. That would be also too much work for nothing.
So not really a solution.
2009/9/9 Jiri Hofman <hofmanj(a)aldebaran.cz>
Are inactive project in incubator really such a big
problem? Could not be
strict deadlines given to new projects in incubator the solution of this
problem?
Jiri
On Wednesday, 09. September 2009 16:10:26 Robin P. wrote:
In the past there were several project proposals
on incubator, but we
deleted them because they were not active. Since then, tests for new WMF
projects are not allowed. If they were still allowed, Incubator would be
full of inactive projects. Even now, there are inactive test projects for
new languages, because the procedure is difficult and takes a very long
time. I assume requests for creating entirely new projects would require
even more difficult and longer procedures, resulting in an Incubator full
of
inactive tests.
2009/9/9 Brian <Brian.Mingus(a)colorado.edu>
> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Erik Moeller <erik(a)wikimedia.org>
wrote:
>
> > 2009/9/8 Michael Peel <email(a)mikepeel.net>et>:
> > > What could be the cause of this recent dearth of new projects?
> >
> > Certainly the process for getting a new project underway is so
complex
> > and exhausting that it's not
something that many people will be
likely
> > to engage in - especially considering
that project ideas are often
> > proposed by people who aren't currently very active Wikimedians.
> > Perhaps we need to set up a formal system for long-time Wikimedians
to
> > adopt ideas they're excited about,
to help push them to approval? In
> > any event, if you want to add to the Wikimedia family, my guess is
> > that it's currently a commitment of 2-3 months of several hours per
> > week to get to that point, provided it's achievable to begin with.
> >
> > I do think that project adoption is something that we should explore
> > in the right circumstances; it's not something we've ever done but
IMO
> > we should be open to it. I don't
think OpenStreetMap or OpenLibrary
> > want or need to be adopted. ;-) But there may be other smaller
> > semi-successful projects that would like to join our project family,
> > and that would make sense as part of it.
> >
> > I would also make the point that adding capabilities to existing
> > projects can be just as effective at cultivating new communities of
> > participants as creating an entirely new wiki, and sometimes more so.
> > For example, as of a few weeks ago, there's now a fledgling community
> > of people on Wikimedia Commons who add annotations to images, because
> > a volunteer developed a cool image annotation tool. The entire
> > community of people adding categories to Wikipedia articles could
only
> > form after the categorization
functionality was developed.
> >
> > Because the Wikipedia community is so vast, adding capabilities that
> > engage more people on Wikipedia specifically, or improving access to
> > the existing capabilities, can have dramatically greater impact than
> > creating a blank-slate wiki.
> >
> > That is not to say that I think there should be no new blank-slate
> > wikis, or wikis with custom software, for specific purposes. But I
> > would also not see the fact that no new top-level Wikimedia project
> > has been created in recent years as a sign of stagnation - wonderful
> > capabilities have been created in the existing Wikimedia ecosystem in
> > that same time period, some of them with dramatic positive impact.
> > --
> > Erik Möller
> > Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation
> >
> > Support Free Knowledge:
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate
> >
> >
> I propose expanding the notion of the Wikimedia Incubator to include
> entirely new projects that are very, very easy to create. They don't
need
> to
> be approved by the WMF - they just need to demonstrate their value by
> attracting a community and creating great content. This would be more
like
> the Apache Incubator, but even more open.
This gives people an easy way
to
> prototype their ideas for new projects, to
advertise them, and over
time
> will give an overview of what kinds of
projects and approaches to
projects
are
likely to succeed and likely to fail.
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