This explanation is really correct.
The board is responsible, the board has the mean to "control" everything is
responsibility of WMF, so the board cannot say to don't know or that they
cannot know.
This is not a personal opinion but it's a principle in every governance's
framework.
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Chris Keating <chriskeatingwiki(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
It's worth pointing out that the Board *are*
responsible, even if they
aren't involved in the actual decision-making - as they are ultimately
responsible for everything WMF does.
Personally I think the present solution is better than no solution, as
cross-project disruption is not something the community is particularly
well-equipped to deal with. However, Dariusz's idea of creating a volunteer
group of some description to review these actions is definitely worth
thinking about.
Chris
On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 1:07 PM, Cristian Consonni <
kikkocristian(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
2015-01-20 14:03 GMT+01:00 Dariusz Jemielniak
<darekj(a)alk.edu.pl>pl>:
transparency does not always have to mean full
public access to
information
> (in the cases described by Philippe clearly TMI may be e.g. involving
the
community
and the foundation in lengthy legal disputes, or endanger a
discussed individual). However, I definitely understand that we, as a
community, may have a need to externally confirm the solidity of
reasoning
> behind bans. I think we already have functionaries of high trust (such
as
the Board
and/or the stewards) who could oversee the process.
Strong +1.
2015-01-20 13:11 GMT+01:00 Chris McKenna <cmckenna(a)sucs.org>rg>:
As has been explained multiple times in multiple
places, the WMF have
been
advised, for very good legal reasons, not to give
details.
"Believe it or not, there's a sensible reason behind our refusal to
comment:
> we can execute global bans for a wide variety of things (see the Terms
of
Use for
some examples - and no, "provoking Jimbo" is not on the list),
some
of which - including child protection issues -
could be quite dangerous
to
> openly divulge. Let's say we execute five global bans, and tell you the
> reason behind four of them. Well, the remaining one is pretty clearly
for
something
"really bad", and open knowledge of that could endanger the
user,
their family, any potential law enforcement case,
and could result in a
quite real miscarriage of justice and/or someone being placed in real
physical danger. So no, we - as with most internet companies - have a
very
strict policy that we do not comment publicly on
the reason for global
bans.
It's a common sense policy and one that's
followed by - and insisted
upon -
by almost every reasonable, responsible company
that executes this type
of
> action. Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 04:40, 18
January
2015
(UTC)"
Fair enough, then we should ask the board to oversight the process
i.e., in the end, being able to take responsability for the global ban
infliction. I would not take this as far as require a deliberation
from the BoT for global bans but it my well be a possibility.
If this is too demanding in terms of time to create a commission to do
such a task. These people can be bound by any confidentiality terms
that the legal department consider adeguate.
Don't want to go through community election? Create an appointed board
of external, indipendent experts for this.
(say ask somebody from EFF or similar orgs).
C
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