Policy should not have local variations, unless you want to create something different from Wikipedia. This is about core content policies. Those are no original research, verifiability, and neutral point of view. The one most don't follow is neutral point of view, where projects rewrite world history to focus on their own local view.
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 2:20 AM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
its the cultural differences that influence the policy, so who's culture is more significant than everyone elses that will dictate the policies.
On 8 August 2017 at 08:14, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com wrote:
Yes there are cultural differences between wikipedias on _content_, but there should be no differences on _policy_ about that content. Note also that there are some differences on use of _facts_ that are
highly
troublesome, and that comes from relaxed core policies. Armenian genocide for example.
On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
to quote, worth a read before even considering policies being global http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/asi.23901/abstract
This article explores the relationship between linguistic culture and
the
preferred standards of presenting information based on article representation in major Wikipedias. Using primary research analysis
of
the
number of images, references, internal links, external links, words,
and
characters, as well as their proportions in Good and Featured
articles
on
the eight largest Wikipedias, we discover a high diversity of
approaches
and format preferences, correlating with culture. We demonstrate that high-quality standards in information presentation are not globally
shared
and that in many aspects, the language culture's influence determines
what
is perceived to be proper, desirable, and exemplary for encyclopedic entries. As a result, we demonstrate that standards for encyclopedic knowledge are not globally agreed-upon and “objective” but local and
very
subjective.
On 4 August 2017 at 10:18, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
The number of pillars depends on the language version... And whether some rules is called pilöar not dpes not seem to be pf
much
importance Ziko
John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com schrieb am Do. 3. Aug. 2017 um
14:42:
Five pillars are moot.
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com
wrote:
The moment you have a centralised policy you take away the
ability
to
discuss, makes decisions, and achieve consensus from the
community
that
create the projects. Importantly you create the opportunity for
banned
and
blocked editors to decide what happens in a community.
By having a base set of simple policies in the Incubator that are atuomatically created when a project starts up you give them the
best
guide
to establishing themselves well before that project goes live,
ince a
project is live it has to be allowed to develop its community.
We already have the 5 pillars which are the basis for the
projects,
but
meta is not a place that the content creating community spends a
lot
of
time.
On 3 August 2017 at 19:07, John Erling Blad jeblad@gmail.com
wrote:
> Having centralized core policies would lessen the maintenance
and
process, > not increase them. > > On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:17 AM, Strainu strainu10@gmail.com
wrote:
> > > The core policies should be the ones pushed by board
resolution,
and
> > those should be the absolute minimum required to keep the
projects
> > safe from a legal POV. Period. Otherwise, people with little > > understanding of small Wikipedias will try to push stuff from
en.wp.
> > Just recently someone was trying to have an RFC on meta on
all
the
> > different processes that en.wp has and ro.wp does not have,
with
> > little consideration on whether the manpower to implement,
let
alone
> > maintain, these processes exists. No thank you to rule
pushing
without
> > local context. > > > > Having a community take a rule from en.wp is different, just
as
long
> > as some kind of discussion happens within the community about
it.
Even
> > if the rule is really useless or harmful and the community
did
not
> > realize that in the beginning, at least it can evolve
differently
from
> > the English one. Have a centralized repository and trying to
change
> > the rules there by consensus would be much more difficult for
small
> > communities. > > > > Strainu > > > > 2017-08-02 17:05 GMT+03:00 John Erling Blad <
jeblad@gmail.com
:
> > > Nearly all Wikipedia projects has virtually the same core
content
> > policies, > > > but with slightly different wording. Nearly all, because a
lot
of
the
> > > smaller lacks them, and a lot has outdated or only partial
policies.
It > > > takes a lot of time to actually make them and keep them
updated.
> > > > > > Creating and maintaining the core content policies should
not
be
> > something > > > that small projects should invest a lot of time in, they
should
simply > be > > > able to point to existing policies on Meta. The central
policies
should > > be > > > localized if necessary. > > > > > > Checking Meta I find > > > - https://meta.wikimedia.org/
wiki/The_no_original_research_
policy
> > > - https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Neutral_point_of_view > > > > > > I can't find anything like "Verifiability". > > > > > > Would it be possible for Wikimedia Foundation to make some
sound
> baseline > > > policies, and with the option for local projects to refine
those?
> Perhaps > > > with assistance from editors on Wikipedia? > > > > > > Lets try to make the policies accurate, without "no
original
research" > > > diverging into verifiability of external sources. It should
be
about
> > > original research in content on Wikipedia. Likewise, at
some
projects
> > > neutral point of view has become "do not diverge from
creators
point
of > > > view"… > > > > > > Would this be possible? It would be really nice if those
baseline
> > policies > > > pages could be copied to the individual projects like
central
user
> pages, > > > so they would be "internal" to the projects. Thus the
projects
would
> have > > > more "ownership" of them. > > > > > > The same thing apply to other meta projects (Wikipedia,
Wikibooks,
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