just to make the discussion clearer: could you just give say 5 or 10
examples of topics where you believe oral citations are unavoidable? Then I
hope that Ziko in his turn can explain how we can write about those
examples without using them.
No dia 25 de Fevereiro de 2012 05:17, Castelo <michelcastelobranco(a)gmail.com
On 24-02-2012 23:18, Ziko van Dijk wrote:
Those people who would like to write on Wikipedia
about any subject
can write a book or pdf about it. It does not have to be a scholarly
work in every aspect. And then, the Wikipedia in language X can decide
that it accepts this kind of literature as reliable. (Those various
standards are not uncommon in the different Wikipedias.)
Not everything has to happen*in* Wikipedia.
In the case of Oral Citations, the people who tells the facts are not the
same people who want to write on Wikipedia, and definitively, not people
willing to write a book or pdf. Editors are recording them for using this
material in Wikipedia.
We are willing to apply this in Brazil, with indigenous traditions. Some
of the indians cannot write a book, a pdf or a Wikipedia article and those
are exactly who have more expertise on their traditions. This can give them
authority when describing their rituals, clothings, artefacts, fights,
cuisine, etc., much more than a wikipedian can. And we still have a huge
lack on articles about them, because for certains indigenous nations, there
are almost no published material (some have no written material at all, as
far as i know). I live in the capital city, where some of them usually come
for present their culture in a national museum, and go back to their
territories. In moments like these, we wikimedians can go there, take
photos and record an interview (most speak a bit Portuguese, as well as
their own languages), for publishing in Commons and Commons/Wikinews,
respectively, for using in Wikipedia articles.
I'm not thinking only on Wikipedia, we have also other projects not
mentioned here, that can work together on it. Each project for a kind of
content. In Wikinews, original reporting is fine, in Wikiversity, even
original research is fine. They can be more reliable than a book, in some
cases. It depends on how we do that, by reviewing, approval, etc, there's a
lot of extensions that can be used on it.
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