Hi Castelo,
just to make the discussion clearer: could you just give say 5 or 10
examples of topics where you believe oral citations are unavoidable? Then I
hope that Ziko in his turn can explain how we can write about those
examples without using them.
Best regards,
Lodewijk
No dia 25 de Fevereiro de 2012 05:17, Castelo <michelcastelobranco(a)gmail.com
On 24-02-2012 23:18, Ziko van Dijk wrote:
Those people who would like to write on Wikipedia
about any subject
can write a book or pdf about it. It does not have to be a scholarly
work in every aspect. And then, the Wikipedia in language X can decide
that it accepts this kind of literature as reliable. (Those various
standards are not uncommon in the different Wikipedias.)
Not everything has to happen*in* Wikipedia.
Kind regards
Ziko
In the case of Oral Citations, the people who tells the facts are not the
same people who want to write on Wikipedia, and definitively, not people
willing to write a book or pdf. Editors are recording them for using this
material in Wikipedia.
We are willing to apply this in Brazil, with indigenous traditions. Some
of the indians cannot write a book, a pdf or a Wikipedia article and those
are exactly who have more expertise on their traditions. This can give them
authority when describing their rituals, clothings, artefacts, fights,
cuisine, etc., much more than a wikipedian can. And we still have a huge
lack on articles about them, because for certains indigenous nations, there
are almost no published material (some have no written material at all, as
far as i know). I live in the capital city, where some of them usually come
for present their culture in a national museum, and go back to their
territories. In moments like these, we wikimedians can go there, take
photos and record an interview (most speak a bit Portuguese, as well as
their own languages), for publishing in Commons and Commons/Wikinews,
respectively, for using in Wikipedia articles.
I'm not thinking only on Wikipedia, we have also other projects not
mentioned here, that can work together on it. Each project for a kind of
content. In Wikinews, original reporting is fine, in Wikiversity, even
original research is fine. They can be more reliable than a book, in some
cases. It depends on how we do that, by reviewing, approval, etc, there's a
lot of extensions that can be used on it.
Castelo
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