Hi,
The IRC channels where public, on-topic discussions are held usually have
public logging, like #wikimedia-office. And regardless of the channel,
discussions within them have no bearing on onwiki actions. In other words,
binding decisions cannot be made solely on IRC. That is very different with
a movement strategy discussion.
Regards,
Vermont
On Wed, Feb 19, 2020 at 13:32 Aron Manning <aronmanning5(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Todd,
I'm not sure how your comment about "backchanneling" is applicable to a
recording made in public. Please express your views in a good-faith and
respectful manner.
On Wikimedia projects, we do things in full public view.
To prove your point, please link to the log of the irc channels and the
admin back-channels to start with.
Aron
On Wed, 19 Feb 2020 at 19:21, Todd Allen <toddmallen(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Nicole,
While I appreciate you taking the time to respond, this is exactly why we
distrust this kind of backchanneling. If you have something to say, you
say
it publicly, open to criticism and dispute. You
don't say it in a "salon"
or a "survey" or anything else insulated from that. On Wikimedia
projects,
we do things in full public view.
Todd
On Tue, Feb 18, 2020, 10:14 AM Nicole Ebber <nicole.ebber(a)wikimedia.de>
wrote:
> Hello again,
>
> I now realised that none of the participants in the audience was aware
> of us recording them, and that we aren't able to identify them to ask
> for their consent. We are not going to release the full video, but are
> of course happy to answer potential questions and create more clarity
> where needed.
>
> Best wishes,
> Nicole
>
> On Mon, 17 Feb 2020 at 11:30, Nicole Ebber <nicole.ebber(a)wikimedia.de>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello Todd,
> >
> > Thanks for your question. The video is indeed incomplete. We cut if
> > for the viewer's comfort, as the original version is ~60 mins long,
> > and has questions and interaction with the audience at All Hands. Our
> > main objective for this video was to focus on conveying the broad
> > context and content of each recommendation in a quick and accessible
> > way, without putting too much emphasis on specific recommendations or
> > details.
> >
> > We'll look into whether the dialogues offer additional clarity. We
> > might also have to identify those who have asked the questions and
get
> > their consent to publish. That can take
a couple of days, so please
> > stay tuned.
> >
> > Best wishes,
> > Nicole
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 14 Feb 2020 at 21:25, Todd Allen <toddmallen(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello Nicole,
> > >
> > > The second video seems to be incomplete. There are, for example,
> several
> > > jump cuts, e.g., at 05:07, 11:08, 17:08, 22:31, etc. At 11:14 the
> > > presenters invite questions or comments, and at 41:32 someone is
> clearly
> > > being called upon to offer one, but they are not shown in the
video.
> Could
> > > you please provide a link to the entire video without cuts,
including
> any
> > > questions or comments and the responses to them?
> > >
> > > Todd
> > >
> > > On Fri, Feb 14, 2020 at 10:45 AM Nicole Ebber <
> nicole.ebber(a)wikimedia.de>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > We’re in week 4 of community conversations about the movement
> strategy
> > > > recommendations. Thank you to everyone who has already taken
part.
The
> > > community conversations will continue until Friday, February 21 -
you
> >
can get involved on Meta[1] in Arabic, English, French, German,
Hindi,
> > > Spanish, and Portuguese, strategize with your community or
> > > organization, or send the core team your feedback to
> > > strategy2030(a)wikimedia.org.
> > >
> > > This current round of community conversations is the last
opportunity
> > > > to suggest improvements to the recommendations. They will be
> finalized
> > > > before the end of March, and then published for the movement to
> > > > understand them, reflect on what they mean in their project,
local,
or
> > > thematic context, and move into implementation.
> > >
> > > == Movement feedback: what happens next ==
> > > All feedback is being collected, reviewed and analyzed on an
ongoing
> > > > basis. Here are the next steps after February 21:
> > > >
> > > > * Week commencing February 24: the core team will summarize all
the
> >
> feedback received in a report. You are welcome to continue
commenting
> > > > and discussing during this time, but the discussions will not be
as
> > closely facilitated and documented.
> >
> > * Week commencing March 2: the core team will publish the above
report
> > > on Meta to give the movement an opportunity to review the content
and
> > > > give feedback as to whether it accurately reflects their input.
The
> > > > closing date for this is
March 6. This summary report will then
be
> >
> finalized and published.
> > >
> > > In mid-March, the feedback from the Board of Trustees, movement
> > > conversations and reviewers' input will be considered in the
creation
> > > of the final, improved set of
recommendations. A rationale for
things
> > > > that have not been considered will be provided, too. Our aim is
to
> >
> have the recommendations finalized and published in late March.
More
> > > > about the actual integration work coming soon.
> > > >
> > > > == Video and podcast about our work; one-pager ==
> > > > Members of the core team - Tanveer Hasan, Information and
Knowledge
> > > > Liaison, and Mehrdad
Pourzaki, Information and Knowledge Manager
-
> > recently held a presentation about all the
recommendations at the
> > Wikimedia Foundation All Hands. They provide a quick, concise
overview
> > > of every recommendation and also some insight into how each was
> > > developed. Video of the presentation [2] and the presentation
slides
> > > > [3] are now on Commons.
> > > >
> > > > Jan Ainali has interviewed me for his podcast Wikipedia Podden.
I’m
> >
> speaking with him about the past, present and future of movement
> > > strategy[4].
> > >
> > > The one-pager created by Andrew Lih (User:Fuzheado) has been very
> > > popular. Again, a big thank you to Andrew for putting this
together.
> > > > In addition to Arabic, English, and Hindi versions, it is now
also
> > > > available in Farsi [5, 6].
> > > >
> > > > == Meeting notes from the office hours ==
> > > > We have published a condensed summary of the meeting notes [7]
from
> >
> the office hours that were held by the core team on Thursday,
January
> >
30. The notes provide an overview of the key points and questions
that
> > > were raised during the two calls as well as summaries of the
> > > responses.
> > >
> > > == Do you have further questions? ==
> > > Members of the core team will join the upcoming Wikimedia Café on
> > > February 15 [8], which will focus on the movement strategy
> > > recommendations. The Wikimedia Café is a community-led meeting
hosted
> > > by User:Pine and
User:Bluerasberry, and we are happy to take part
and
> > > help answer any questions people
may have about the
recommendations.
> > > > Additionally, if you are looking for more information about any
of
> the
> > > > above topics or about the movement strategy in general, take a
look
at
> > our FAQ section [9].
> >
> > Happy weekend,
> > Nicole
> >
> > [1]
> >
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recomme…
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_movement_strategy_recomme…
https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:Movement_Strategy_at_W…
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WP_72_-_Wikimedia_2030,_a_strategy_…
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:One-page_overview_of_the_first_vers…
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:%D9%85%D9%84%D8%AE%D9%91%D8%B5_%D8%…
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Reports…
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Frequen…
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Nicole Ebber
> > > > Leiterin Internationale Beziehungen
> > > > Program Manager Wikimedia 2030 Movement Strategy
> > > > Wikimedia Deutschland e. V. | Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24 | 10963
Berlin
> >
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