Hoi,
Lodewijk you are missing the point. The question is, should they bother, do
they have a chance. When they provide all this information and then are
denied for political reasons, it is best to say so up front.
The notion that there is only success as an outcome is not relevant. The
question raised is will there be room for a Kosovar chapter. The answer is
binary and from that it starts to make sense to answer any and all other
questions that are less binary.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 29 September 2010 19:09, Lodewijk <lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org> wrote:
That would only be the case if we would have
sufficient information to
actually make a decision and this would be the actual body making such
decision in the first place. Some very important indicators are still
missing. We dont know who the group is, what they want to do, what they
need, how many they are, whether wikimedians are involved in the first
place, what their goals would be, not even to speak about their proposed
bylaws.
You suggest that only being a chapter is a potential success outcome. Of
course that is not the case. Thinking about who you are, where you are,
where you want to go, what you want to do and what you need to get there is
never wasted, especially since there are many ways that lead to Rome. Even
if the conclusion would be that they want to form a chapter, and that would
be rejected (highly hypothetical) that effort would be well spent because
you could use it to persue your goals in another way. Being a chapter is a
tool, not a goal.
Please note that the only indication that they want to form a chapter is
not
a notice from themselves, is not a request, but only a hypothetical
question
from someone who visited a conference. Really, if you want to make a real
consideration whether it would be a good idea, you need much more
information than you have right now, and the regular process through
chapcom
is probably much more effective to evaluate such information than through
this mailing list.
Best,
Lodewijk
2010/9/29 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton(a)gmail.com>
On 28 September 2010 23:55, Lodewijk
<lodewijk(a)effeietsanders.org>
wrote:
guys,
please! Lets not try to solve hypothetical problems here until we
know
what the problem will be! Let the folks see if
they can get people
together
> in the first place, what they want to do, and what in their opinion
would
be
the best way to organize that. THEN we can see if
a chapter has to be
approved or not.
I disagree. The work involved in getting together a group interested
in forming and chapter and starting to make plans for how to go about
creating one is significantly greater than the work invovled in
hashing out the potential issues on foundation-l, so the latter should
be done first. There is no point them wasting their time getting
together a group of interested people if we're not going to accept
them as a chapter.
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