It appears to me as this discussion has caused some confusion and it should be clarified as I know that the Philippines had two members at the recent Wikimedia Conference in Berlin arent there reporting requirements attached to eligibility requirements. They are also part of the group organising the ESEA conference in February 2018 along with a number of other affiliates in the region. Those of us who have committed people, time and other resources need some clarity as well
While there appears to be some confusion here, Affcom and WMF should at least take some time to clarify the issues especially given its currently 2am in San Francisco and it was only 9pm when Joshes email was sent. To me it appears as if no substantive discussion, consultation or investigation of Joshes claims could have taken place to warrant such a harsh response so quickly.
On 25 April 2017 at 16:05, Maor Malul maor_x@zoho.com wrote:
Hello Josh,
The WMF and the AffCom have decided not to disclose further details of the very serious governance issues in order not to hurt the movement and the reputation of the people involved. Please, avoid misleading and adding drama to this situation -which is already difficult, and damages the movement as a whole. WMPH was given very specific recommendations of what do and what not to do, but decided to go its own way.
M.
El 25/04/2017 a las 06:17 a.m., Josh Lim escribió:
If you folks seriously think that we weren’t being “accountable”, then I have serious doubts about how this process will remain sustainable.
I’m sorry, but this process has been exceedingly demotivating for everyone involved. I’ve been trying to keep myself composed throughout the entire process, but at this point I simply cannot.
I will gladly admit that we’ve made mistakes, us more than others. Every organization does. But I will not allow the work that I’ve dedicated over a decade of my life to be thrown out the window because we weren’t “accountable”. To the best of our ability, we WERE accountable to our community and to the movement. And I, frankly, feet that we were as accountable as we could’ve been.
You may all want to know why I’ve been silent through this entire process. It’s because I cannot, and I still cannot, process the grief this entire process has brought upon Wikimedia Philippines, and especially myself. I will try to be optimistic about the future, as people have been telling me to do, but at this point in time, at least have some respect for the work that we’ve done over the last six years. That’s really all I’m asking for at this point.
Thanks,
Josh
On Apr 23, 2017, at 9:41 PM, James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.com <mailto:
jmh649@gmail.com>> wrote:
I second Itzik's comments. We need some degree of accountability. Hopefully this will encourage groups in the Philippines to become more active again.
James
On Sun, Apr 23, 2017 at 2:14 AM, Itzik - Wikimedia Israel< itzik@wikimedia.org.il mailto:itzik@wikimedia.org.il>wrote:
Thank you Maor for the update. We usually love to see our movement expend and welcome recognition of new organizations, but I strongly believe that we continuously need to check and evaluate our current organizations. Our brand, name and reputation are part of our core assets - and while it's not an easy step, I appreciate Affcom efforts not only to recognize new ones but also to de-recognize organizations that are not longer active or non-compliance with our movement requirements. Few weeks ago in Berlin we had a first meeting to start discuses what is a "movement accountability" and how we evaluate organizations who operate outside of the FDC process and I believe Affcom have a significant part in it. *Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-54-5878078 <tel:%2B972-54-5878078> |http://www.wikimedia.org.il <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/> Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 9:49 PM, Maor Malul <maor_x@zoho.com <mailto:maor_x@zoho.com>> wrote: > * > > Dear all, > > * > > ** > > *Recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate - a chapter, thematic organization, > or user group - allows an independent group to officially use the Wikimedia > name to further the Wikimedia mission, with certain duties and > responsibilities. While most Wikimedia affiliates adhere to the basic > compliance standards set forth in their agreements with the Wikimedia > Foundation, a protocol has been developed to address the exceptional cases > when a Wikimedia affiliate does not meet minimum compliance standards and > their continued recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate presents a risk to the > Wikimedia movement.* > > * > > On September 9, 2016, Wikimedia Philippines was notified of their > suspension as a Wikimedia affiliate due to long standing and serious > governance issues, as well as non-compliance with reporting requirements > which go as back as 2014, has been sent multiple warnings regarding them, > and on the date mentioned above, was provided with an explicit list of > tasks and deadlines in order to return to compliance with their chapter > agreement. The chapter failed to complete these tasks by the deadline of > November 28, 2016, and was consequently notified that they would no longer > be recognized as a Wikimedia chapter after the termination of their Chapter > Agreement on March 1, 2017. It is important to make clear that the > Affiliations Committee will continue to support other organized Wikimedia > communities and their activities in the Philippines. > > If you have questions about what this means for the community members in > their region or language areas, we have put together a very basic FAQ, > which may be found at<https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliate_de-recognition_FAQ>https:/ > /meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/ <http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_movement_affiliates/> > Affiliate_derecognition_FAQ.* > > > -- > "*Jülüjain wane mmakat* ein kapülain tü alijunakalirua jee wayuukanairua > junain ekerolaa alümüin supüshuwayale etijaanaka. Ayatashi waya junain." > Maor Malul > Socio, A.C. Wikimedia Venezuela | RIF J-40129321-2 |www.wikimedia.org.ve <http://www.wikimedia.org.ve/> > <http://wikimedia.org.ve <http://wikimedia.org.ve/>> > Member, Wikimedia Israel |www.wikimedia.org.il <http://www.wikimedia.org.il/><http://wikimedia.org.il <http://wikimedia.org.il/>> > Vice-Chair, Wikimedia Foundation Affiliations Committee > Phone:+972-52-4869915 <tel:%2B972-52-4869915> > Twitter: @maor_x > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wik > i/Mailing_lists/Guidelines andhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l> > New messages to:Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > Unsubscribe:https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l <https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l>, > <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org>?subject=unsubscribe> _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelinesan dhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to:Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=uns ubscribe>
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