Amen to that! This discussion about Jerusalem reminds me of the discussion
we had about the nationality of Anne Frank. For those interested, there
have been some heated debates about whether Mobile should use the text in
Wikidata "label descriptions" or rather some basic presentation of the P31
property. Most descriptions are still blank anyway. Personally I think
texts such as "capital of Israel" or "holocaust victim" are both
than blank, but many disagree with me.
Both of these represent associated items that have a lot of eyes on them,
but what about our more obscure items? Lots of these may be improved by the
people who originally created a Wikipedia page for them. As a Wikipedia
editor who has created over 2000 Wikipedia pages, I feel somewhat dismayed
at the idea that I need to walk through this long list and add statements
to their Wikidata items as the responsible party who introduced them to the
Wikiverse in the first place. But if I had a gadget that would tell me
which of my created Wikipedia articles had 0-3 statements, I would probably
On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at 9:27 AM, Lydia Pintscher <
On Tue, Dec 8, 2015 at 1:15 AM, Gnangarra
Criag is right this cant be fixed within the
database because the data
is applying one truth where there is no one truth
for everyone. This will
always be the single biggest flaw of Wikidata no matter how data is
presented it can never be the absolute truth unless its measurable
some mathematical scientific process that can
replicated by everyone,
translated into any language.
Wikipedia's answer is to present all considerations in an equal manor and
not interpret the facts....
Wikidata defines what is fact, what is truth, what is right thats a big
task and is something the community has never tackled before... should we
even try, has the damage already been done or should we narrow the range
recorded data, could we flag alternatives, could
we give a measure of
acceptance for each fact. are there alternative means....
That is actually not correct. We have built Wikidata from the very
beginning with some core believes. One of them is that Wikidata isn't
supposed to have the one truth but instead is able to represent
various different points of view and link to sources claiming these.
Look for example at the country statements for Jerusalem:
Now I am the first to say that this will not be able to capture the
full complexity of the world around us. But that's not what it is
meant to do. However please be aware that we have built more than just
a dumb database with Wikidata and have gone to great length to make it
possible to capture knowledge diversity.
Lydia Pintscher - http://about.me/lydia.pintscher
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