The problem of false positives from mirrors doesn't exist if we scan edits
as they are made.
Maggie says
copyright bots populate
WP:SCV <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SCV> So a
similarly-configured bot could scan recent changes and tag suspected
copyvios in watchlists and page histories like suspected vandalism is
currently tagged. Ideally the edit summary would contain a url to the
suspected source. Maggie points out that those copyright bots were blocked
for a while (from scanning Google I presume) due to a negative impact on
Google, and this problem was solved by someone writing a cheque.
False positives won't be a problem, unless they're more than, say, 50%. If
a recent changes patroller can't confirm the copyvio, they can let it go.
But an editor whose "contributions" list is peppered with such warnings
would stand out like a sore thumb.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:SCV>
Anthony Cole <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Anthonyhcole>
Memberships secretary
Wiki Project Med
On Sat, Nov 16, 2013 at 3:36 AM, rupert THURNER <rupert.thurner(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:
Salut florence, i obviously need to improve my English
:) Marco suggested
human checking to avoid false positives and some annotation that it
happened. In my eyes the cited case is a verbatim copy of some compatible
license text which could be used as an example to demonstrate what he ment.
I did not see such a thing up to now and would not be 100% sure how to do
it correctly. So i asked.
Rupert
Am 15.11.2013 13:44 schrieb "Florence Devouard" <anthere9(a)yahoo.com>om>:
Hmmmm
Rupert,
The case you mention is unrelated to any copyright infringement (the book
is explicitely published under cc by sa. So there is no copyvio). Its
mention here is like hair falling in soup.
Now, I think there is a developing personal feud between you and Iolenda.
It sincerely saddens me to see two people I appreciate come to such a
situation. Would you both consider talking to each other on Skype or
something like this ? Alternatively, find someone neutral and nice to
help
fix things so that you can come to a mutual
understanding ?
I understand that you both see things differently, but ultimately, you
both are here to make things move on.
Flo
On 11/14/13 2:36 PM, rupert THURNER wrote:
> There is such a case in
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/
> wiki/Education_in_Cameroon,
> reference is on the talk page. would you be so kind to mark or refer to
it
> correctly?
>
> rupert
> Am 13.11.2013 12:46 schrieb "Marco Chiesa" <chiesa.marco(a)gmail.com>om>:
>
> On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:39 PM, Chris McKenna <cmckenna(a)sucs.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The problem isn't that we're waiting for perfection. We're
waiting for
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> proportion of false positives and false negatives to fall to a level
>>>
>> where
>>
>>> don't overwhelm the true positives.
>>>
>>>
>>> To avoid false positives from mirrors, the best option is to compare
a
text
as soon as it is saved. Also, you exclude certain websites from the
comparison because you know they're the mirrors, you exclude rollbacks,
...
Then, it is better to have a human checking that it is really a copyvio
(it
could well be a public domain text, or another Wikipedia article).
Marco
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