--- Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 10/1/06, Luiz Augusto <lugusto(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
WikiMedia isn't only WikiPedia. I'm on
wikibreak
in anothers wikis and now
edit only in Wikisource. I can't find any
problem
with encyclopedic articles
because my home wiki is intended to host only
primary sources.
English Wikipedia have your on mailing list and
wikipedia-l is intended to
be a mailing list for global issues on Wikipedia
projects. The
question of credibility
is relevant to all Wikimedia projects, but
attempts in talk about
encyclopedia credibility is not relevant to all
Wikimedia projects.
It's funny that you'd effectively accuse the
person
who is probably
the #1 human contributor to enWiksource (Danny) of
having project
tunnel vision.
Danny is a huge contributor at Wikisource. I don't
see why a person stating they dislike something or the
way something is handled should be taken as a knock on
the person who brought it up. Danny bringing this
sort of thing is up is not suddenly new or something
particular to Danny. However the fact that something
has been done in the past does not mean it can never
be objected to now or in the future.
The fact of the matter is that the problems
discussed in this thread
are a real concern for all of our projects,
including Wikisource.
Any solution which would help us keep imaginary
islands out of
Wikisource would also likely help us keep imaginary
primary sources
out of Wikisource.
Collectively we need to figure out how to work
together better across
the project and linguistic barriers that divide us.
Simply putting
our heads in the sand and pretending that the
difficulties of openness
are limited to enwiki is counterproductive.
I don't disagree with this but you are missing the
point of the criticism. People from all sorts of
projects come here when they have hit a brick wall
When they have a problem or a question they *cannot*
handle within their own community. When they can find
no solution, no answer, on their own someone suggests
asking foundation-l and they do. They often get very
little help. They may get a large response, but
generally very little help.
Now en.WP has an amazing amount of resources.
REsources which are very focused on en.WP. To remind
you of this I will quote what I was told by david
gerard when pointing out the unbalenced amount of
development resources at en.WP
"That is: if your project doesn't get its favourite
bugs fixed, it's
not favouritism to en:wp - it's your project not
contributing to the
development. These are volunteers, if you recall."
So en.WP has many, many of "their" volunteers.
Manpower that is unbelievable to the wider Wikimedia
community. But now, and this just not about
Porchesia, when en.WP has a problem. When en.WP has
this problem it is brought straight to this list to
ask the attention and help of this wider Wikimedia
community. Now any other project, tries their hardest
to solve a problem themselves before coming here. But
en.WP with their massive resources and manpower.
en.WP skips the step of working on the problem within
the project and comes straight here to use the
resources of the wider Wikimedia community. And the
wider Wikimedia community is supposed to work on this
with the hope there might be some carryover to their
own home project. Still when the home project has a
problem, they are not given answers and solutions. I
was told to "adjust my expectations to reality". Many
others are told that they must figure it out "within
the community". But no one except en.WP comes here
until they exhausted the ability of thier home
community. I am just asking that en.WP approach this
list as every other project in the wider Wikimedia
community does.
Birgitte SB
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