Since I apparently hate all projects besides Wikipedia (according to an e-mail Mr Meijssen sent me), I'll stick with a nice "ditto" instead of rehashing all of Andre's arguments.
Nice job, Andre :-)
Mark
On 02/04/07, Andre Engels andreengels@gmail.com wrote:
2007/4/2, GerardM gerard.meijssen@gmail.com:
There are two languages, Marathi and kiRuanda that are now properly supported in MediaWiki. There are many more languages that demonstrate how bad the old procedure is for starting new projects.
There is nothing stopping people working on content. We are quite content to have new languages start in the Incubator.
The incubator was intended to *start* languages. Not to keep them indefinitely.
The arguments that are used to get new projects now ignore all the reasons why localisation is so important and why there is a language committee in the first place. It is made out as if the situation was so great before. We have had "languages" forced on us that do not exist, languages that take the codes because it was voted that way. We have ugly political situations like the Belarus where people are not willing to work together. Situations where a NPOV cannot be expected.
That's all good and well, and no doubt the language committee would improve those things, but NONE of those have anything to do with localisation. If there are reasons why localisation is important, those are not the reasons. Do I think that localisation is important? Yes, though not as much as you do. But I do not think that localisation is so important that we should keep projects on hold until it has been reached. You have not been close to convincing me otherwise.
It is quite clear that the situation is not good. It is equally clear that the solution is simple. It just takes a friendly developer to take the hour it takes to create all the message files in the Incubator.
Alternatively, you could let the languages go through and trust that there is a developer who will do that some time. As simple a solution, and one that YOU can do. Just give the languages that you think are ready their Wikipedia, and when a developer decides that it's a good idea to create the message file, bring it to that wiki.
When there are no friendly developers willing to do this, then it is for the board to give it the required priority. It is ultimately the board that gave us our mandate we are quite happy to think outside of the box and find solutions. It is plain stupid to pull the requirements when the existence of the localisation has proven so essential in getting projects to attract new editors.
Has it? Where is your evidence? And it doesn't seem that being on the incubator is so much better than having an own wiki either. Why force others to do what you want before you do what others want? If it is your job to do that....
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