Dear Angela,
I wanted to contact you since sometimes now but was hinder to do so and couldn't found the way to do so. Thats why I am using that mail to tell you about the problem.
It is about a site, english, called Talk Bogdanovs affair"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:213.237.21.6
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bogdanov_Affair
For about 2 weeks ago, one of the user, YBM, begin to deleet all my edit on this site and hindered me to can say anything on that site. I had discovered some pretty annoying informations about that personns and its real reasons to be opposed to the Bogdanovs. Pretending that the problem was scientifics inaccuracies, he was in fact, during 2 whole years, attacking the Bogdanovs and their books based on an ideologie called "postsituationism" and which rules are to create a falsh assuption that something is wrong and to get as many "idiots" (as they call them in their web site) to follow them. The higher the idiot are, the beter: here it will be scientists, and they fooled some! They use all kind of tricks, fordgery of documents put at disposition on line, falsh identity, write letters to the employer of the people they attack, insult the people, accuse them of being uneducated, to disposed of those having the necessary scientific bagground to dismantle their accusations, and denial. The found I made was done through earlier victims from that group, and essentially of YBM, who contacted me, and told me about what happened to them 2 years ago, prior to this Bogdanovs affair. They are writers, one of them a cooking book, and they became victims of the savage attacks of YBM, and this postsituationists organisation, which costed them their job. YBM stopped when he saw a chance at getting even bigger and more international with the Bogdanovs story. A paper was edited against their thesis in a scientific journal, but a dementie was given 4 days later. Nonetheless, YBm begin his home made story who has now put much discredit on the Bogdanovs brothers and their thesis and their book, and has involved thousands of people and known scientists. It was therefor very important that I came out with this vital information about hte truth of the all story, the bluff it all was. YBM tried to hinder me doing so by removíng my edit as many times as I put it on, and using the revert function which I didn't knew about at that time. I wrote to César (Céréal@killer) from the equivalent french site about it, but he was busy at that time and couldn't do much to help me. I was suddendly bannished from the site, as YBM had accused me of being the one vandalizing the site, and convinced an admi of it. I tried subsequently to explain the other users and the admi that it wasn't so, and explecitly asked for the course of action to take in case of security flaw in form of a user accusing another user of vandalism when this user was in fact the one performing it. I didn't received any answer, but a threat and was accused by the dmi to have deleeted her answer??!!! Of course I didn't have, but was banished for a week! I was very angry at the turn of event, and during the time I was banished, this sudden appearing admi did deleete all my posts and delleeted all the entire site (!) up to the 2nd of september! This site was opened in march this year so you can imagine all the informations who went out. This include the scientificals proove from the doctors Igor and Grichka Bogdanov, evidences against all the points of attack made by their detractors. All the important links are also gone. This has been doen from an admi who had never been on this site and never interested herself for this affair and didn't knew about the past of people like YBM. For exemple on the french wiki about this subject, but also all over the web, and his forums where he attack the Bogdanovs based on their physical appearences and age... He has on this site also given the title "GARBAGE" to 2 of my edit, among them this revelation about his true motives, which I changed to "VERY IMPORTANT STATEMENT" that he changed again for garbage and accused me of vandalisme on my own articles!! Which was taken as serious by the admi who banished me subsequently from the site! Without noticing that he also had deleeted my texts, and also that he was using and abusing of the revert function every night, reverting the site up to 7 times per hours. No warning nor punishment was given to this YBM about that, and he wasn't even accused of havin´g done so, but I was!!! On the top of that, the first time I was banish, for 24 hours, it was without warning at all, without explainations, and the name of the admi having banished me was Cereal@killer, whom I was in constant contact with, and whom i was refering of the sabotage I was victim of by YBM, each and every night, often several times by night. He couldn't do a thing has he didn't knew any admi from the english site...and I didn't knew enough about the wiki communications system, and there was no admi name on my site, so I didn't knew who else to contact. It was very frustrationg to be put the hand on the mouth for more than a week and not able to do anything or contact anybody about it, as the criminal was accusing me of sabotaging the site, at the same time. I think that it is about time to gather people together and to decide what to do about this YBM, and about the conduct of this admi who deleeted all the site. out of 8 users, 5 are against the changes that the admi have performed and don't feel free to express themselves as she always take side on YBM and blame any attempts made to contradict him. On the 3 other users, one is YBM and I am not in touch with the others, but one of them must be julien who used to send me private mail as to ask for my mening and in fact insulted me many times. Until I very seriously convinced him to stop mailing me. It occur one week before YBM begin to deleete all my articles on the site. This YBM is engeneer in informatic and could have done many things, among it put the name of cereal killer as the admi having banished me, thought it wasn't César who did it. The admi of this site who have sabotage all the site is Bishonen, a girl, and the admi who is looking at it for César since yesterday is Sam Hocevar. But.. as most of the site, 95 to 99 %, has been deleeted by the grace of Bishonen, it remain difficult for someone to conduct an enquiry on this affair now. I was banished a week, finishing today, and what i come back to is a dead zone. Bishonen removed all the day after she had taken care to displace me on an isolated place where I could shout loud and be heard by nobody. I couldn't either visit any of the other site of wiki during this banishing period, nor write an email to the administrator of the site,or any other administrators. She pretended that if i had any proove of her wrongness she will upheave this banishment immediatly, but in fact she never aswered my questions but answered once about something all apart from the subject. She also accused me on the site of having abused of the revert function, knowing it was impossible as I had first known about it after she had banished me once for a day, and that YBM tried again to remove my articles, and I replaced it using that function. From that time he stopped to remove my articles, as it will have been much easier for me to replace them, but i was banished for a week the day after, on the accusation that I had deleeted the answer of Bishonen on the site. I had done nothing of the kind, and asked for her to remove her accusations from the site: she had even put it as a title of her answer, with my name on it... I do not like to see this stalinistic censorship governing on wiki, not do i like to see those machiavelics methods used by unpunished users, nor the threatening methods used by this admi to keep all the other users dancing on her key note, without a word against the outrageous sabotage who is taking place on the site.
I would like you to take a look at it and to have a discussion with the creator of Wiki, about what to do to inforce security and prevent that a user performing sabotages use of wiki security system against such to report his victims as being those vandalazing the site or his own articles? What can i do as a user when a admi make error or deliberatly take side with this kind of person, and threaten all others? I have been told goodnight stories and now I would like to see som real facts, actions taking place. Can wiki tolerate this kind of behaviour without reacting? Whom can a user contact directly when this kind of thing occur, wihtout having to wait 2 weeks like here, and before the whole site is destroyed beyond recognition, and in a way who will seriously handicapped any enquiry. Many times I felt like if I had to do the job of the admi as this one wasn't anywhere to be seen. And now that he is not asked for he is there all the time and bloking everybody to intervene except for YBM. How can the replacement of my own texts and title be considered as vandalism, and how can the guy who did it be left in peace and protected?
I have been seriously hurted by this chain of event and by the unjustice who continue to dominate this affair. I don't think it is allright to just look the other way and let this be asit is "until next time". I ask for justice and i am in the right to do so. This Bishonen admi made laugh at the first amendment, I replied to her by asking her, " well, where would you be without it, and what wiki? It will also be a good idea to look at the communication site of this Bishonen where she is talking with some of her friends admi?, and this YBM, agree with him about that my IP signature is anonymous (!!) and decide to banish me for a week. I always signed with Sophie XAL followed by my ip adress who appear by pushing on the signature button. I think that this is too much and that this story against the Bogdanovs has to end. I founded the piece of evidence to stop all those speculations, after only 3 weeks following this affair, and it was so important that YBM was ready to go all that way to hinder me to show it as all the people who had followed him until now will see who he really was, and what were his real motives all along: manipulations on line. An experiment, in virtual reality, as some philosophers made thought experiments. And now the best, how to manipulate an admi on wiki, and get all the mountain of evidences to diseappear in 48 hours.
I hope that YOU will be able to act decisively and that YOU are the one that I should have contacted from the beginning.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:213.237.21.6
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Bogdanov_Affair
Best regards,
Sophie Petterka sophie@nostromo.dk 0045 35 82 31 39 Copenhaguen Danmark
----- Original Message ----- From: "Angela" beesley@gmail.com To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Donation drive stopped early with insufficientfunds collected
On 9/6/05, Tim Starling t.starling@physics.unimelb.edu.au wrote:
I'm wondering why the donation drive was stopped early, before the enough money was collected to cover the Foundation's Q3 budget of $198,000. After our discussion in August about the German chapter, I thought it was fairly clear that those funds could not be used for the general operating expenses of the Florida Foundation.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Revert
I expect the people editing the sitenotice were unaware that the drive was meant to be a "21-day" one rather than one which would end when the initial goal was met, as it was last time.
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